You're trying to wind us up now aren't you Flash8.

It is well recognized isn't it that 25 year old drivers are so much safer and on the ball than 50 year old drivers.:ugh:

Captplaystation... On the money as always!:ok:

In my humble opinion of course! :}

CaptPlayStation
 

No need for apology, but gratefully accepted. Thank You.

We all have differing thoughts and methods of putting them across.

Personally, having flown charter, long haul scheduled, low cost european and VIP private ops I can honestly say that all have been different - with different pressures from managers and even owners.

I completely agree that all good captains would allow FO's to thrive and develop. This is, of course, limited by a number of factors - not least FO ability, captain ability and the confidence displayed by both of them.

I have never really understood the OFDM problem. Surely, by acting professionally and aiming to stay a step ahead of the game ensures that OFDM doesn't become an issue.

I always try and stay a little bit "grandpa" in my approaches. I don't have too many grey hairs yet either :ok:

TT or T on type boils down to experience, the problem is that for some 10 years is no more than 10 x 1 year !

What experience should teach us is the same thing (most of) us learnt as kids if it hurts don't do it again, of course there is limit to the trial and error approach of learning whilst flying.

I personally think route experience is far more relevant when dealing with the threats say from the non radar environment of the Greek Islands on a busy night with TS activity

Any Professional airline uses the FDM to monitor trends and to inform crews of a potential dangerous situation on one of their flights in order to train, inform and remedy, NOT TO PUNISH.( unless there is intentional endangering of the crew and aircraft by major breaches of SOP and aircraft limitations)

As a result, in any Professional Airline, no crew is afraid of the FDM, which is there to help discover potentially dangerous trends, not to kick you in the a$$.

Any airline that uses FDM to fine. Punish or fire is an airline that should not have an AOC in any developed country.

Have around 300 pilots left RYR lately?
 

Back on track please. There are other threads dealing with crew experience issues involving all the same contributors.

Ryanair claims there is no shortage or no one leaving but how comes they are even considering DEFOs? and people are being rostered to fly 70 hours in June, during the first two weeks of the month... that is. :}

Jetdriver reckon it has to be more now considering the ad´s lately, hear some fly max already more or less so they are really short.

Didn´t believe the ad also initially. Had to take off my yellow/ green Rayban´s and turn down the volume on Sean Paul on the stereo and have another look.

Still same thing. DEFO, DEC even non-rated, cadets, the whole nine yards.

There are a lot of people being asked to fly on days off. There doesn't seem to be too much pressure to accept, though.

With no career structure there will always be a high attrition rate at Ryanair. That rate will go up and down with the demands of the market but when it gets high the contagious effect can make it crippling.

There isn't any Pilot shortage but when Pilots leave faster than they can be replaced the effects are much worse than prolonged strike action.

Trying to ignore the safety/experience debate, I reiterate my last question:

- does anyone think there will be a change of policy in RYR, so that experienced non-TR'd F/Os will be taken on?

If I get to age 40 and I'm still flying TP's, I'm going to jack in flying.

They are now advertising direct entry PIC and FO both rated & non-rated on a variety of contracts. So I would say there is a chance.

Turboprop? forget it no chance.
The smallest jet of which they have hired DEC from in the past was a BA146 and that was years ago.


The fact that they now mention 20000 kg as the bottom limit means a lot




What they fail to understand is that it is much cheaper to keep the good crew you have than to find new ones( and typerated B737 NG guys are not on the market with so many companies hiring)


If they would start giving people the base they want instead of sending you were you dont want that would keep a a lot of captains in the company.
Not being with your family is a big thing.

As always my humblest of opinions the above

Yes, just seen that ad.

And as you said: looks like it- Turboprop: no chance.

If I could go back to my 23 year old self, I'd tell him to save his £48,000 that he spent on a modular course and go and buy a house. Do it up, sell it on. Repeat.

I'd own- and fly- my own Global Express by now.

Ha ha, WX Man. I thought the advice to your 23 year old self was sound. Then you said you buy and fly your own aeroplane with the proceeds!!

We have been doing 100 a month throughout the winter and last summer and you do not need to be a mathematician to figure out that a huge part of the captains will be running out of Yearly limits soon and the whole machine comes to a grinding halt.

Does RYR still have this dubious mathematical shenanigan that allows them to zero hours at 1 April? That was an inexplicable IAA allowance that meant one could do well over 900hrs in a 12 month period. Under EASA is that still possible? Absurd if so.

That zeroing of annual flight hours is now EUOps and replaced the JAROps 900 in 365, so applies across all of Europe, as I understand it.

First Officers are also doing 100 hours per 28 days now, as of the last couple of months, so it won't just be Captains they'll run out of in the winter.

Have around 300 pilots left RYR lately?
 

Space Pig, you better read that memo again. You're afraid of something which isn't true.

A.S. I'm out of it now, but are you saying it is now legal to fly >900hrs in 365? Ouch! Short haul that is.

According to the IAA inspector I had a chat with, yes Rat, as long as the total drops below 900 on the one nominated day of the year, the rest of the time you can have significantly over 900. I'm regularly seeing 920-930/365, and boy am I feeling it!

Is this a case of RYR not only having changed the flying experience for the pax; not only having changed the general T's & C's for the air crew, but now effected a change, for the worse, in the FTL's of the whole of EU? If true, truly amazing. Or is this just an IAA interpretation of EASA regs? They too seem very malleable when needed.
The tail may truly be wagging the dog. The decline in overall T's & C's, including a severe worsening in average working days over the past 20 years, is scary to behold. Where will it end? Ever more productivity and destroyed family life for less reward. It has often been countered with the argument that the big bucks allowed a disruptive life with no solid social foundation and regular sleep patterns. Not any more. The big bucks have disappeared and the shackles have become tighter. To predict the future is always difficult, but it doesn't look too rosy for the vast majority of wannabes. Good luck to them, and save up for the alimony instead of the pension.

Yep, my son likes aircraft and loved his flying lesson, but knows full well not to even consider this as a career! It does make me smile reading some of the issues on the legacy airline threads, but it's all relative. I suspect there are plenty of folk in Asian or even in EU regional companies that would gladly take my Ts and Cs as a big step up from what they contend with. That doesn't make it right - it just means the whole industry is eating itself from the inside.

According to the latest ad in flightglobal,: DIRECT ENTRY CAPTAINS AND FIRST OFFICERS with Ryanair Ltd | 1401394597




it looks like Ryanair is starting to take control themselves regarding the recruiting as Mcginley/Brookfield are no longer mentioned but solely Ryanair LTD.
Could it be that the 300 pilots that left are on the low side of the estimates and immidiate action is required as the contracters are not doing a good enough job to recruit ?


Or is this to offer a Ryanair contract with better T and C"s(tax and social sec payed) as a new strategy to attract new pilots.


just my humble opinion for what it's worth

I'm always baffled by Ryanair pilots agreeing to work days off 'because they need the money', when most of them are maxed out on hours anyway. Or maybe doing unpaid standbys is more fun than days off, I'm not sure.

The reason that Ryanair are recruiting directly is simply that the current use of McGinley and Brookfield is unsustainable it is the exploitation of a loophole that goes against the requirements of the law in most countries, those countries are now wise to the ryanair games.

Secondly they realize that they need Pilots to stay and that working for McGinley is not in anybody's mind a long term career.

I don't think they have seen anything yet, the exodus will be in the coming 2 years. Simply because of a recruitment surge in China and the m.e.

I think we can close this thread now, as the answer is clearly YES!

According to the recruitment banners at the top of this webpage.

It's is both ironic and indeed very sad, that the few (but important) things that made Pilots (including me) move on, were completely within Ryanair managements' ability (?) to fix, at little or no cost. Unfortunately, their unbelievably stupid, arrogant and dictatorial way of running things, has led to this current situation, which sees them now losing money by cancelling flights and wet leasing crews to fly their summer routes, as well as being forced to recruit DEC/DEFO (positive for some) instead of making money from taking more Cadets.

I truly hope that lessons are learnt, and there is some positive outcome for Ryanair Pilots and the industry T&C's as a whole. I wouldn't hold my breath though! :ugh:

All in my own very humble opinion of course. :ok:

Think about it, Jellyfish - an employed captain will get a day off payment of £250net plus the flight pay. They'll do the same hours over the month, and thus the final flight pay will be the same, but they get the day off payments too. For contractors, that doesn't apply, and so the captains tend to refuse. Contract FOs historically would accept because if they didn't come in, they'd lose out on pay and they were only flying c600 hours a year and needed to generate as much extra as possible. That's very different at the moment.

There's also the possibility of successfully bargain days off when you need them, by working one day off when they need You. That can only be a good sign for pilots. I personally don't do off days, not only am I always busy but I try to see it as an act for a greater good. But despite best effort a big part of the workforce act in their own self interest only, and in many cases I cannot really blame them.

This sounds like an employment discussion for a whorehouse, not an airline . . . . . . . in my humble opinion of course.

Exactly...in asia there are more job, more remunerated, qol better, girls (hotter), etc...you go there a while, save money, and you're king of petrol.
who, would like to stay in a cold european country, low pay job ?

I wouldn't agree that the conditions are any better in Asia or the ME, the Ryanair virus has spread throughout the world! There are rumours floating around that some ex Ryanair pilots are leaving EK to go back to Ryanair - that goes to show!

I'm afraid so! I agree! I heard the same actually...
But in some airlines, depiste the conditions, you can multiply your income though...sure you fly a lot, but the objectives to aim are: work a lot, save money (you can save more in asia) and stop working and retire sooner.

EK is not the Eldorado, I'm sure, but you can make much money. And in some asian countries you do not spend as much as in europe.
Let's face it, it is not a dream job at all...I even opened a business, to get out of aviation.
But, now, what do we have as motivation ? only one : money.
The rest : good roster, good terms and conds, good management, lot of days off etc, it becomes rare.
Oh, and we got a nice view...but after a while... Personnally I run after money because it is the only motivation i can find now. It is sad I agree, but it is a motivation like any others.

good luck to all :)

I just want to make a statement, here seems as good a place as any to make it:

There is currently no Pilot shortage, at any one time I seem to be trying to help around 10 European Pilots get into my company, some employed and some unemployed, all experienced Captains.

kingpost, it is not a rumour.