BALPA accuses EASA of maladministration
 

The mainstream press don't seem to have picked up on this yet.

Link here

overstress
 

I'm guessing the mainstream press are not interested in stories without sensationalist value. It's not surprising that the general PPRUNE readers have ignored this thread because most of them are NOT professional pilots and so are ignorant of the issues surrounding fatigue. Much easier to spout nonsense about a high profile event like the Asiana tragedy.

Good to see that BALPA is finally being seen to do something useful with it's members' contributions.

Purely my opinion as an outsider, usual disclaimers etc.

This has far wider ramifications than "just" Pilot -Fatigue......the whole issue of incompetent beaurocrats abusing power is long-overdue for reassessment.

Those of us in the training side of the industry have been banging on about EASA for a while. Poor audit trails, non-existent safety management (oh, they preach Management Systems but don't actually examine their own Opinion forming) and too much politicking.

'Bout time that someone shouted. At they same time we should be arguing about the wholly dysfunctional manner in which the CAA is interpreting and enforcing the EASA regulations.

Claybird

Thanks for the info. I'll give credit to BALPA for their work on this topic.

It will be interesting to see how the Cannock Coal Miner handles this one...

overstress

Quite so! It's not like he would act against the wishes of a members' ballot is it now.:{

- would that be like the video they produced on cabin air problems? Remember that?

Yes, vm, divide and conquer? Perhaps address your post to Mr Fyne?

VM

This isn't the place to debate that topic. I only replied with a one liner in response to over stress who wrote:

It will be interesting to see how the Cannock Coal Miner handles this one...


As I said I give BALPA credit for their work on FTL.

BOAC

Danny has offered BALPA the opportunity to communicate with non members on the VA Pilot Forum (not the pprune one). So far they have declined.

Hmm... Some confusion here. This thread isn't about VS and the Cannock Coal miner is the minister for transport, Patrick McLoughlin, who mined coal in Cannock.

overstress

My error entirely, lashings of apologies! In fairness to me the thread is about BALPA hence my confusion.

EASA and maladministration in the same sentence? Surely not!





:ugh:

Why has it taken so long ?
 

About ten years ago the chair of the parliamentary select committee for transport ( the late G Dunwoody ) described EASA as unfit for purpose and an accident going somewhere to happen...... Little has changed !

The paper trail for maintenance under Part M is driving up the cost of maintenance to a point were it is making general aviation unaffordable and at the same time the constant paper chase is keeping the engineering supervisors in the office and not keeping an hour to hour watch on the work in the hangar. It is the worst of both worlds EASA has put in place a less safe more expensive system.

The very pinnacle of EASA stupidity is the abolition of the UK's IMC rating, a qualification that has clear safety benefits that has been stopped by EASA politics and ego.

Flight crew licensing is now so complicate that it is very easy to fall foul of the mountain of rules, flying clubs are being over regulated out of existence by turning flying leisure establishments into mini flight schools and the latest gem of stupidity is that if a rating expires by just one day you need retraining to get the rating back not just an LPC.

Why BALPA have taken so long to wake up to the EASA paperwork gravy train ? I am pleased that they have but they need to look much further than the flight time limitations otherwise the regulator will strangle the industry from the ground up.

Bravo to BALPA in trying to bell a cat.

Will other pilots' unions in Europe join in?

If not, why not? :confused:

Many many years ago N.Kinnock, yes him of UK prime minister fame, and who then became EU transport commissioner, voiced his support for improvements in aviation working conditions. Not a lot happened to improve matters; indeed much worsened. Was he held to account for his failing? No! No surprise there, then. On Prune, again many years ago, a debate was underway including a journalist and letters to MP's. It seemed at last that something might happen. Nope: naught once again was the result and things have declined further.

Now, I read, that the response from AEA (i.e. the managers/owners of EU airlines) is that EASA rules are better because they will apply to all operators in EU and give a level playing field. Oh! So that's alright then: it doesn't matter if the rules are rubbish, as long as everyone has to abide by them. Amazing that the financial leaders of the industry applaud the idea of more productivity for less reward from the workers. "They would say that, wouldn't they." For heavens sake, just think where we would be without FTL's. They stopped craziness in working hours, just. Yet now their correcting influence is being eroded rapidly back towards a previous life. technology is no compensation for eroding the fitness of the human in charge. e.g. SFO B777 and others.
I have never been so angry as when I was told by management that the roster schedule was proven to be fine & generous and any problems was a fault in the pilot's sleep/rest management strategy.
There is more to a family life than having an aluminium tube strapped to your back-side for half a day or night, even longer, and living away from home & family for half your life. The stresses of both are not what a 21st century professional career should be about. Making it worse is pure greed from the employers. For EASA to have the word 'safety' in its title is an insult to us all. I have watched the behaviour and worked under the FTL's of various XAA's in various EU countries over 30 years and wonder just who pulls their strings. I am convinced that the airline management have more influence than the pilots, cabin crew and engineers. I was fed up with having an airline audit from XAA, where FTL abuse was rife, loop holes exploited, but being harangued for not signing everything with dotted i's & crossed t's. Good heavens they could not see the woods for the trees, and seemingly didn't want to because then they would have to do something as the policemen they are supposed to be. And they didn't have a solution and would bite the hand that feeds them.
Now EASA seems to be continuing that behaviour. Can the pilot corps allow that abuse of power to continue? Absolutely not. MP's in all countries should be subjected to a constant, continuous, professional, well reasoned campaign to make them aware of what is happening. Greed must not be allowed to drag our public service down the same drain that the bankers took the general economy. Greed and bad management can have such disastrous effects. In some cases more deadly that others.

European bureaucracy all over: useless, incompetent, dangerous.

The biggest danger with fatigue is that it is not a matter of feeling tired, but is a longer-term problem that can take months to really show itself. By then, it is too late.

An Uninformed Opinion!
 

If you can navigate your way around the EASA web site you are cleverer than I!

http://www.easa.europa.eu/rulemaking...%202010-14.pdf

PLAIN SPEAKING.
 

RAT 5 and A&C; Very well expressed thoughts and history on the decline of our industry, I shall cut and paste and fire them off to my elected rep in UK Parliament but without much hope.

Reading the postings on the recent CFITs such as AF447, THY @ AMS, Lionair and now Asiana @ SFO, there is very little use of the dreaded 'F' word.

If we can get our minds away from cultural differences and dodgy training, just remember that here in good old Blighty, where everything is tightly regulated and officially no airline staff are abused (:rolleyes:), I still open my copy of CHIRP to read of bad practices by CAA Regulated airlines negatively affecting both flying and ground staff.

F A T I G U E is a regularly aired complaint, despite UK FTLs, yet the corporate interests continue to overrule the basic health and safety (deliberately small font!) of the workers at the coalface and the paying public who put their money and their trust in the airlines whio carry them.

The question frequently aired in respect of the recent CFITs is "how could they be so stupid etc as to miss the IAS, AoA, performance and other cues presented just before it all went pear-shaped"?

Well is it just possible they were simply 'dog-tired' at the time, though the accident investigations will show compliance with whichever awful set of FTLs applied at the time? I bet the Fatigue Management Sytems operated by most airlines make the CEOs feel they've ticked the relevant boxes, but if a UK chief pilot can react to a pilot's complaint about running 100hrs in 28 days rolling, over a period, by suggesting he "find another contract", then we're all on our way to hell in a handcart, along with our passengers who (mistakenly) trust the systems in which they've entrusted their lives.

Try reading over the aforementioned threads and maybe the suspicion will arise that FATIGUE could be a possible explanation as to "how could they do that?". Yet once that genie is out of the bottle, the profitability of many airlines who've made their piles out of abusing their staff is then in danger.

So I have no doubt that, even if this posting gets past our very busy censor, we'll hear precious little about tired pilots, CC and engineers whilst many on the forums various will continue to muse over A/P modes and ATC procedures and rushed approaches.

Can anyone smell coffee...........?! Or are you not awake................?! :ugh: