They are desperate I feel,
With the lowering of the weight requirements to dash 8,,,,

I was offered an interview last year, but the commuting option is rubbish as is the pay....thus why they can't get captains

Indeed, currently the worst contract around, with 6000 euro for Captains:ugh::rolleyes: and only 7 days OFF each month:hmm:.

Salary needs to go up by at least 2000 euro and 10 days OFF to get even remotely interesting for any experienced B737 Captain.

...that's 6000Euro AFTER tax and a guaranteed 7 day block off each month, not 7 days total.

Not that bad really.

No that is a target of 7 days, the few months that you get more than 7 days off is for the annual/quarter off-days that are mandatory. This is for the regular contract. Schooling for kids is at least €1300 a month per kid and you won't get any ID tickets with Turkish until after a year of employment.

For the commuting usually you get a very late flight the day before your block and a morning flight directly after. You are expected to deal with your vacinations, medicals, bureaucracy etc during your block off. Outside of the block off expect 6/1 rostering with minimum rest. Sick days are counted as off days.

The pay is pretty low considering the amount of work you do and the rostering is terrible. Other than that there are much worse places to be. Nice people, expanding company with a good economy giving somewhat of a security for the coming decade until the number of locals ready for upgrade catches up.

Be prepared for very hard work and a very limited social life :E

Thats tax in Turkey I guess .... Also getting email after email for 737 command, but yes !!!! Salary is rubbish

Does anyone have any contact details for sun express Germany? Please PM me thanks

Some nonsense here guys… the commuting contract from Ankara guarantees block off 7 days off plus the mandatory days as required by SHT ops, for this contract the basic salary is lower ( 6000) but with overtime payments on factored hours is still good for a commute contract around 8000 net. For the full time contracts the minimum days off are 7 a month, paired as 2/1 2/ 1,1 . The full time contract starts at 6300 plus overtime, around 9000 Euro net. Obviously as winter approaches the overtime will drop a lot.Once you fly past 80 hrs the factor kicks in..This summer I am told the average Full time Captain was about 9300 net and the average full time FO 5800 net. The seem to be able to recruit at the moment with about 60 crews in training and some 20 FOs in the upgrade process. The only really commutable option is Ankara, although we regularly see the guys on THY flights to Europe as standby PAS.. but THY rules state they have to have been in the company for a whole year to get THY tickets. LTH tickets are available from the start I believe. I am not aware of another contract paying the "Net amount" as high as the THY and SXS contracts, including medical cover and loss of licence plus crew transport., not to mention the group hotel discounts?

Okey maybe the pay is not as high it should be for a EXPERIENCED 737 Captain, But for most of the guys in Sunexpress its a great deal, Nearly all captains from Ankara base and now from SAW base come here non-type rated with hours from Dash 8 (YES DASH 8), Fokker 100 with only ILS gliding experience from German bankrupted companies struggling to find a job in Europe. Generally 97.9% are lovely people to fly with but when they start moaning about the poor system quality of the 737, FREE transportation and the 'LOW PAY' then it starts to wind me up! Its a great opportunity for them to build s**t loads of hours in a very short time in a sunny country with a very good pay and working conditions working for a considerably nice company.

I really enjoy going for layovers in Ankara (but not the open duties) but people really need to appreciate what they have been given on a plate! :ok:

Who is paying the TR for non-rated guys ? if it is the company, the new Capts should truly STFU, put 1000hr in the logbook, & spend their time refining & distributing their C.V. rather than complaining. If the candidates are paying ? well, you are bending over, so expect them to shove it up you.

"Time off allowing commuting" has traditionally been a sore point in Turkish companies (even THY ) I had 20 on 10 off in 2009 with Saga, and that (for a Turkish company ) was fairly exceptional.

For comparison to your 8000€ net, Norwegian pays 8884 + 17€/block hr for Capts "Gross/Brut" so your package is not bad financially.

They just sign a bonding of €15K which reduces over 2/3 years!!!!

Can someone tell me how should I apply for FO position in this company?

I found a webpage but all in Turkish and with many troubles, was almost impossible load and progress with that website.

Regards

I see a potential for some significant savings there :E.

Would it be possible to rent a studio in Ankara at non-extortionate price? I find 1000€/m with all expenses covered nearly reasonable but 1100 sq ft is methinks just an overkill for a single guy.

SunExpress Online Application
 

Hi guys,
may I ask you a question about SunExpress Application?
I've tried to apply online, but is ALL in turkish... so after the loooong translation, it don't give me the possibility to apply because there are fiels required that I have to fill in and is mandatory.... but... if I haven't attended the university I can't fill this field...
So have U any idea how can I do???
there is a Email of human resources where I can send my CV???

Base SAW SXS
 

Are here some SXS Pilots with Base SAW and they can tell me where is a good place in Istanbul for a apartement?

Hi guys,
i would like to ask to Phenom100 and to B737air have you received any answer from sxs after you have sent them the documents required? I was contacted by them the same days as you but didn't recived any answer ....

Where can you apply for the NTR FO Position at SunExpress? Is it just possible through their website which is in turkish?

through their website in Engl. .....

Theres a lot of disinformation coming from guys already in SXS..some are married to Turks and paint a much rosier picture of this "airline" than is the truth.Some are German and have an affinity with Turks that almost no other EU people share.First off,that commuting contract wasnt even on offer to begin with.Originally they wanted you based in Syrian border with no days off except 6/1.Salary was 6600 euros and no commute.It was changed to 6k and 7 days off after they could only get desperate inexperienced guys.The reason for the abundance of non-type rated guys isnt because the Turks are a wonderfully generous people and are offering free upgrades..no no no,its because no experienced type-rated guy would put up with their nonsense(pay,rude gruff Turkish airforce trainers,fiddly SOP that are counter-intuitive).
Watch the contract also..if you dont want to get bullied by autocratic line-trainers and leave after 60 days,theyll try and sue you for remaining contract time.Theyre a nasty bunch.Ankara is a dump and the other bases on offer are like Saudi Arabia.Best bases are reserved for locals.Far be it from me to discourage pilots earning a living but I just want people to know the truth.Tread carefully.Its one of the worst Ive come across and Ive been flying 30 years.

.....there's always one.

The only other base on offer is SAW! :mad: me, I didn't know that Jeddah has as many tattoo studios, massage parlours and watering holes where rakı and Efes flow freely :}

Have a look at caulfield previous posts and everybody and everything is pathetic, stupid, etc apart from mr great pilot Caulfield himself... :ugh:

What's the latest on the payment for type rating? Bonded or self funded?

Three months ago it was 15K€ deposit (or bank guarantee) for non TR DEC, half returned after first year, half after second. EDIT: sorry, thanks to Search user's posts I can see you are asking about F/O position, I have no idea how it works for F/Os. Give the good folk at SXS a call, they will give you the truest and the latest update.

Bargain of the decade, if one can pass the screening.

Don't wail on caul field .
I fly with an experienced 737 capt who was there. He paints a picture of a steaming pile of....
I was offered an interview but the Tcs were so bad I declined .

It'll only appeal to dash8 drivers trying to get a leg up

T&C
 

Watch out for the contract!
As a Captain you are bonded for 15K (Typerating Costs) plus if you want to leave earlier than your 2 or 3 years contract you have to pay the months back you are not working for them (e.g. you're flying 1 year and want to jump to another airline, you have to pay back 7.500 E for Typerating plus about 80K for your 1 year absence :ugh:

Any guys called for F/O position recently?

2500 TT, 2000 heavy turboprop, rated on 737….heard nothing back yet.

The only foreign firstofficers that they recruit are from a contracted ab-initioschool in Holland

What is the purpose of flooding all pilot jobs website with their offers if they only hire guys from a specific school?

Sxs hires her ab initio pilots from Stella in The Netherlands. The students pay 35000 euros for a 1 year contract. And they call that a job....
30000 goes to SXS for the TR costs and 5000 goes to Stella as a ''training fee''.

50 students total; you do the math.

You gotta be kidding

Just an update about the type rating for First Officer, its 30,000 euros self funded with a 3 year contract.

They pay their TR just like at RYR and Easy etc. You will get a one year contract making appr 3000 a month in the first year. All the people who came in on a one year contract in the last 3 years had their contracts extended after the first year and the biggest group that has left are the ones that have moved on to Turkish airlines... (as Sunexpress is a Joint Venture between LuftHansa and Turkish Airlines)

If you want to complain about P2F you have to across the street to the likes of Pegasus who hire and fire after one year. Sunexpress is actually one of the few decent outfits in the region full of the likes of Atlas Air, Onur Air, etc... Granted they are not BA, Air France or KLM but for a Turkish outfit ok. I spend two nice summers flying on a contract for them and as long as you appreciate they are Turkish (CRM!) and are a LCC you are fine. :ok:

Maybe the Mods should ban anymore boring repetitive discussions on PTF! The SXS deal is NOT PTF… the fee covers the type rating, line training, OCC course, recurrent training, 2 days sim every 6 months OPC/LPC and all the admin costs of work permits, DGCA approvals etc etc. During the year they earn good salaries ( average net with O/T 4500 Euros) and after 1 year will have 900 hrs plus on type and nearly all get contracts extended.. so what's the beef.. Year 2 they are back in positive cash flow, that's a whole lot better than sitting around wishing and waiting for the " good old days" to come back. IF you can pass the assessment , its a great start to an aviation career. Of course, with nearly 100 guys in training, places are now limited..

sun express pilot recruitment
 

hello dude
i am geting the some problem. i am B737 FO and i wanna to apply Sun Express, but i have the same problem, i can not do the application because they require a University degree in Turkey.

SO , can you pls help me !!

How did you deal with it ?

thank you for your attention

Pupo, here's the question, current SXS recruitment is either via Stella as ventilated above or if you are ex-military Turkish you don't pay all the costs up front but have a lower wage as the costs are cut from the salary… is this still PTF? If it's about cash flow and you are already in debt as you were " sold the dream" by some initial training outfit preaching the " great pilot shortage myth" you will probably appreciate the extra salary, on the other hand if you are a 50 year old ex major with little debt the reduced salary won't matter too much. It's not a perfect world for sure but at least some guys are getting a break. The argument that this practice stops the " talented" getting in the airlines is nonsense, we see many many applications from integrated school guys that have been waiting two or three years, have increased their debt to "keep current" and are now on the back foot. Yes, in an ideal world the airlines should carry the cost, alas they have learnt they don't have to and are unlikely to change. Why is no one claiming the Tui Fly type rating and flying at 110000 e is " pay to fly" ? maybe the Belgium and Dutch think differently, or just take a different view towards getting a job..of course, if you have the luxury of no overheads, no kids to support and no mortgage and are living off the parents then I guess it's easy to pontificate. I'm waiting for the curd to hit the fan when NAS get the A320 type rating scheme going!

pay
 

I have heard that those commuting contracted captains have earnt around 8 to 9k per month last year with over flights.

application
 

They have a simple mail adress for the application : [email protected] :D

T&C
Watch out for the contract!
As a Captain you are bonded for 15K (Typerating Costs) plus if you want to leave earlier than your 2 or 3 years contract you have to pay the months back you are not working for them (e.g. you're flying 1 year and want to jump to another airline, you have to pay back 7.500 E for Typerating plus about 80K for your 1 year absence

IT IS A BILETERAL CONDOTOIN, IF THEY KICK YOU OUT, THEY SHOULD YOU PAY IT.:=

Quote:
The SXS deal is NOT PTF… the fee covers the type rating, line training, OCC course, recurrent training, 2 days sim every 6 months OPC/LPC and all the admin costs of work permits, DGCA approvals etc etc.
Youre surely being ironic!? That is PTF and no mistake. These are company costs, not employee costs in any sane world.


Sick, you are really aout of today's world. Any company pays anymore these costs:ugh:

It's 6/1 roster pretty much with one week off in the middle of nowhere with a night return the day before the block-off followed by an 0800lt checkin. Only Ankara base.