I think my name got confused when I put in a recommendation for two of my mates.
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There was a Monarch 320 in the circuit at Prestwick last week.
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Field in sight, that's funny. Did your mates get a copy of your roster instead of a PFO? :)
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Nope....they got his paypacket:E
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Any further updates?
Hi Folks
Anyone know what's going on regarding Recruitment, I'm still on 'Hold' but nothing else heard. Cheers |
I phoned HR a couple of weeks back and they are slowly working their way through the stack!
Apparently if we have the hold for interview email we will be called in due course. I've phoned them a couple of times over last 9 months and they are always so friendly. Bodes well as a company to work for....hope I get to find out |
Thanks Smalljetpilot
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Do MON charge for the Type Rating?
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No they do not.
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Thats right,
You'll be treated as an adult professional from day 1. No paying for type rating, uniform or Line training. They'll even pay you from day one even while your training! You will continue to be paid even in the quieter winter months and there are extra goodies like pensions, guaranteed summer leave and a respected scheduling agreement. In short, you are employed by a proper company on a proper contract. The goodwill effort they receive in return from the guys on the frontline is worth much more than the pennies saved on the delightful "flexible" contracts offered elsewhere. |
It starts with an apostrophe test.
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MANTHRUST
The pprune spelling & grammar police are recruiting, you should apply :ugh::= |
A mate of mine starts his TR in the next few months. He's been in the hold pool for several months.
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Contact List
Hi Guys,
Any new swimmers feel like being part of a pre-start contact list? Just gives us a chance to get any accommodation / obvious basing swaps / banter going far enough in advance to be useful. I'm happy to look after it, but if you do want to be part of it, drop me a PM. |
Monarch Airlines Plans 62-Jet Deal by September in Discount Push - Bloomberg
Hopefully this is promising for those of us "on hold for interview". |
Perhaps new Monarch pilots in the next few years will need to get type ratings in the following aircraft instead of the standard Airbus:
I guess we'll find out at the Paris Air Show shortly. That said, mentioning C-Series interest could just be price negotiating ploy by Monarch management to drive down Airbus and Boeing bids.... :cool: |
It's been a little bit quiet on here recently, so might anyone please be able to advise us swimmers as to if there are any updates on the recruitment drive this year?
The last thing I heard that was a combination of a bit of a training backlog and cost wise, which meant that the majority of recruitment for the timebeing was going to be T/R? Obviously, I must stress that was just the rumour I heard though. As a non-T/R swimmer, I'm very much keeping everything crossed for the timebeing - but with everything being quiet at the moment, I'm wondering if this recruitment drive might be slowly coming to a bit of a halt for this year? Or if the non T/R recruitment is yet to kick off properly? Any insight or information is greatly appreciated! Many thanks... |
Put simply from what I see as a normal line pilot, there appears to be quite a backlog of new recruits still to be brought online. There are defiantly more aircraft and thus more pilots to be to be recruited at some point in the future.
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Alloy - thank you very much for your prompt response!
I had been made aware (through the rumour tree) of training backlog over the last few months, and, putting 2 and 2 together, thought that this might have some particular impact upon recruitment over this period. Either way, I'm hoping that the non T/R hold pools aren't too deep just yet! The news on future recruitment being inevitable is certainly enough to give heart to those of us who are waiting and hoping still. Very many thanks |
Command Board meets this week. 16 more guys to be moved to left (this summer). A chunk of these guys will come from the A300 and will not be replaced. On top of this we are awaiting fleet announcements. Crystal ball stuff but it looks like 1 A300 to go Oct, so a few crews will take some places on A320. I know we have 2 courses booked in for November. We have some non tr on courses in Sept that have been pulled from the hold pool. By the time Oct arrives we will have made our fleet announcements and will have an accurate FTE crewing figure. I would say Jan time would be next course etc so you can see we have a few things to sort before we need to interview further....especially if we decide to go 737. Why bother interviewing lots of FBW guys?
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Mesh - as always, thanks for your response and insight!!
I was aware of a couple from the current place of work getting the nod and being given hold pool places for the moment with a view to January/February start dates - so that makes sense. Thank you so much for clarifying the situation though! Although, I suspect that the annoucement for the fleet renewal and expansion will go in the direction of Airbus in the end! Bearing in mind the cancellation of the 787 orders and what I've heard about the board still viewing Long Haul as being important enough to maintain a presence on the Long Haul routes, I can't help but feel that come the announcement, we'll hear something about A350s in Monarch markings! |
would be lovely wouldnt it but IMHO and as I have stated before I don't think we will ever have a long hall side anymore. Remember as well guys its the end of our second year of cuts at the end of this financial year (Oct) so a decision on the A300 whci I think is delaying a lot of this will be made only once we have flogged it to death over summer and we have an idea on how busy the 330 will be over winter.....
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fleet options
Mesh, good points as usual.
"specially if we decide to go 737. Why bother interviewing lots of FBW guys?" Possible answer: - B737 option would require serious retraining of existing FBW crews anyway? - would negate CCQ option and cost company more to convert crews to A330 or poss future A350. - If FBW crews in hold pool have other flying experience eg: Q400, B200, EMB jets or even instructional backgrounds surely they are no more risk or training cost than CTC cadets? Another reason why a new A320 order might happen is Monarch maintenance - lots of FBW experience there and servicing EZY machines for foreseeable. C series could shake up the market - Osdessey seem to think it will beat BA's A318 out of LON City. |
If and it's a big if, all the A300 pilots stay with Monarch rather than retire then just to keep the same passanger capacity at least another 2 (or 3) full airframe sets of crews will have to be recruited. I would say this is at least another 30 pilots required on top of planned fleet capacity expansion before next summer season.
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Alloy/mesh - all this sounds promising for a bit of ongoing recruitment over the next few months! It hasn't been a secret though that the A300s have been getting a bit long in the tooth for a while - and in need of replacement.
Mesh - I still reckon there'll be some long haul in the future, although to what extent I don't know. If (and it's a really really big IF!), I do succeed on getting into monarch, I'll gladly buy you a beer if I'm wrong!! On a separate note, is there any reason why Monarch would opt for Boeing of bombardier over airbus? (Cost aside!) - I guess it would make sense to keep the fleet as a single family series? Mind you, the sales pitch of the C-series seems to be winning over a few at the moment. No doubt all will come clear come September! |
The C series is an interesting aircraft, but i guess much will depend on what strategy Monarch have going forward, if you can fill aeroplanes and i guess monarch do then the 737 is cheaper per seat costs than the Airbus, but it would be a huge retraining effort, all the more so if they took some C series into the mix, it might work for some smaller airports but i can't see LCY being in any way relevant to Monarch and if the pilots are all on the same salary grading then loss of 54 seats on the C would need a massive saving in running and purchases costs.
It ought to be a simple Boeing -v- Airbus with the 738max & 787 -v- 320/21Neo & 330/350, i guess much will depend on delivery time tables from both manufactures, but lead times on a new order must be out to 2016/17 from both? |
The A300s are now all leaving by the end of March 2014 to be replaced by 320/1s so three plus aircraft to recruit for summer 2014.
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Are there any plans to open up the online application system again in the near future, anyone? Mesh?
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I believe recruitment for Autumn/winter courses is now complete.
Mon will be looking to recruit around 50 FO's at the back end of next year though, all subject to change of course... |
Yep, as stated earlier all done for this winter, just a few taken to fill a slot Pre Christmas. As above we have just heard around 50 more places to be recruited for next year. To early to say when they will join us, clearer picture once fleet announcement later in the year
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Thanks for the info, but does that mean Monarch will need to open up the online application system again or will that come from the current pool of applicants?
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nobody can answer that even the recruiters at this stage
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When the email about being placed in a holding pool for Summer 2013/Winter 2014 interviews first came out they had already hired around 100 pilots. As one of the guys who applied around June 2012 and who received this email, I thought my interview opportunity was surely around the corner. Since then many more have been invited and hired but no such opportunity has manifested itself and along with many others I haven't received a rejection either which proves to an extent that Monarch are honouring their hold pool system (can't say for certain if its based on application date). Now with talk of a possible 50 being hired late next year I get the feeling I'm about 1 out of at least another 200 in the hold pool. I'm no expert, but the stats are quite obvious. I highly doubt, the online application will be opening this year or next.
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@ Mesh,
I work for the company... But a little confused! So we took 100 on over the space of last winter. We have run interviews recently for more Pilots. There is talk of 50 more. The people who have been interviewed for courses this autumn, are they the 50? Or have we recruited a certain number already and the number has just gone up by 50? Having read the forum I had the impression we were only taking 50 in total after the initial 100 of this year due to a scaling back of expansion.. |
For what it's worth - and this applies to any airline.
Even if you are told you are "in the pool"; If/When you hear that they might be recruiting, or about to recruit; Print off a new CV and a covering letter and get in the car and take it to the head office in person that same day and give it to someone significant.... I speak from experience. |
Circa recruited this year, around 50 more next year dependant upon what fleets we end up with
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Worth also bearing in mind, that the current intention is to retire two complete fleets over the next 18 months. That is a lot of pilots being churned within the company, and consequently a sizeable re-training commitment.
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MPL push?
According to PPJN:
Monarch pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements. MPL cadets seem to be preferred choice. I know of several highly experienced guys on long term hold in pool and some ex mil turned down despite excellent skills and background. |
Why do you say we prefer MPL? We have recruited circa 110 FO's over the last year and less than a handful are MPL. I can't say anything about long term hold poolers and the reasons for them not being employed but we do interview a lot of experienced guys both military and non military and they don't get through for a number of reasons most of which you can guess. As stated before we still like a mix and it works well. We welcome the new MPL guys and are confident they will work out very nicely. Believe it or not we usually find CTC low houred guys very motivated and open to our training and they tend to do very well. The extra training sectors tend to be used on guys with some experience that need to be re-trained in certain areas as with most airlines.
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Just received this. That would appear to be that.
Dear Applicant With reference to our previous correspondence to you, we would like to take this opportunity to update you on our current position. Our 2013 recruitment programme is now complete as our courses are now fully assigned and it is not anticipated at this time to commence any further recruitment this year. We would like to advise you however, that it could well be 2014 before any additional recruitment is required as we are now waiting for fleet forecast for the 2014 period. Please be assured that your details will remain on file for the time being and we will contact you again toward the end of the year once our forecast has been confirmed to advise if your application has been progressed through to the next stage for 2014 recruitment. Thank you for your continued interest in Monarch and we hope to be back in contact again in the not too distant future. Yours faithfully Group Recruitment HR Team Monarch |
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