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757 driver is right.....remember when Ryanair pulled out of Manchester huffing and puffing. They did not completely leave keeping the Dublin route. It is all bullying. Manchester Airport got it right when they said 'we are not going to prostitute ourselves'. Look how MOL's team came back all very lalala about misunderstandings etc. Nope let them leave with their dodgy employment practices and let others who play by the rules take over.

If they were legal I am sure Easy et al would be employing the same way.....

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The UK government would never bring RYR to task over alleged tax irregularities as they are far to large an employer both here and in Europe.

RYR are not a large employer of UK staff. Anyway, where will they go? Africa? Russia? RYR employ very few people in Britain. They have lots of subcontractors, people with off-shore contracts, self-employed etc. But if RYR left the UK tomorrow, they'd still have to operate here but to be competitive, either get into the UK very early (and suffer FTL penalties) and night-stop their crew. Err....

PM

Italy/Ireland double taxation treaty...
Italy - Tax Treaty

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2. The term "permanent establishment" shall include especially:
1.a place of management;
2.a branch;
3.an office;
4.a factory;
5.a workshop;
6.a mine, a quarry or other place of extraction of natural resources;
7.a building site or construction of assembly project which exists for more than twelve months.

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4. A person acting in a Contracting State on behalf of an enterprise of the other Contracting State-other than an agent of an independent status to whom paragraph 5 applies-shall be deemed to be a permanent establishment in the first-mentioned State if he has, and habitually exercises in that State, an authority to conclude contracts in the name of the enterprise, unless his activities are limited to the purchase of goods or merchandise for the enterprise.

So presumably you can't buy a ticket at the check in desk?

My comments about lack of complaints by competitors was aimed mainly at easyjet and the EU legacy carriers. From UK ez must be the largest option to RYR. They swim in a similar pond, but ez has one hand tied behind its back as it operates, financially, more responsibly. I'm sure they would love to lower their cost base, but can't, al a RYR, because they pay their dues. We hear stories of even legacy carriers saying they have to introduce austerity measures to compete with RYR. The virus spreads far.
Regarding RYR pulling out of a base or EU country because it is obliged to pay its just dues doesn't wash. All EU countries will impose the same obligations, so where will they go? It will be a bluff. There will be no where to hide. We as individuals all have to pay our just contributions, so why not the employers? Let RYR go off shore if they wish, but don't preach the philosophy that they can subdue governments by fear. If that became obvious & public the consequences would be chaos at the least.
MOL boasts there wil be no strikes at RYR. It's not possible. He denounces the concept of a group of workers holding a company to ransom. A strike is the last resort a group has to show that it is deeply aggrieved. Hypocrisy rules. MOL is aggrieved that he can not subdue an airport into submission to agree to his draconian demands. He threatens to take his toys and go play elsewhere. He strikes (withdraws his labour) from that airport. He even threatens to do that to whole countries. Note his spat against German, UK, Dutch taxes, yet he, at will, imposes extra charges on his pax. Hypocrisy can survive for only so long.