Ryanair base visits by IALPA
 

Just got a message from my local ALPA that IALPA will be making visits to many Ryanair bases over the coming weeks. This will be a joint effort by IALPA and the local ALPA for the country affected.
Purpose of the visit will be to meet the Ryanair pilots and discuss their particular issues.

You probably should not be posting this here. Anyone from Dublin can see this and show up at the meeting. That is the whole point of sending people emails:ugh:

well said Johnnytightlips.
Pilots need to show up to these meetings if you want your contracts to change for the better otherwise they never will and you can look forward to a nomadic lifestyle on decreased conditions throughout the Ryanair network. Night flights anyone?

No meetings are going to be held on 'Ryanair' property. The chances of any management being let in is minimal. It would however be very good for the likes of 'Eddie' and co to sit outside and see 'all' the pilots troop in. The more go in the more they will realise that the are about to have a fight on there hands. We should be actively talking about these base meetings and be talking of possible future industrial action. It's not a secret FFS , the whole point that there are over 2100 pilots in REPA is because they all realise something has to give. There is no law against talking ...even the thought police in Ryanair have not gone that far yet. So say it loud and proud guys " Yes I'm in the Union , Yes I will go to a meeting and yes I'm willing to do what is necessary to prevent my T and C's from becoming any worse ...." . Ryanair are going to make 550 million profit this year and like it or not the only idiots I see are the pilots for letting MOL and Co emasculate our T & c's.

I am hearing rumours that Ryanair are planning already through the grapevine.
Their plan is to hold ERC meetings in certain bases and say that said ERC has miracolously negotiated a payrise.

Sorry guys but I have to give my 2 cents here now. I really get shocked when I read all this stuff about RYR and the union.
I am in my late 20ies and fly a 70+ turboprop for a small german regional airline.
17 aircrafts, that's 7 jets and 10 turboprops. Lets say about 150 pilots.
Of course it's not the Lufthansa pay but we have a good life here (FO bout 50000€, CPT 75000+€). Good contracts regarding duty time, off time, roster etc.
Long term contract, annual payrise and you get your typerating payed.
And we have a strong union here. Of course the management is not pleased with that, but who cares? No one will fight for our conditions. WE have to fight.
I seriously can't believe that a huge company like RYR is not able to unify. What is your size? Almost 300 aircraft I guess.
What is wrong there? You fly thousands of thousands people round europe and don't have the balls to rebel against some office sitters?!
Getting organised doesn't hurt. Trust me. The airline industry gets sicker and sicker each and every day! And no manager will stop it for us. WE have to stop it!!!

goooood night...

ERC negotiating a pay rise?

It would take more than all the tea in China to keep me satisfied living in the backwater arse ends of Europe on a 7/2 uncommutable contract away from friends and family, one eye over my shoulder looking out for the taxman.

Their day is coming.

Vexed,
I am with you on this one, never had any backlash in my time there resulting from pro-union views, in fact I think they actually admire a bit of back-bone & secretly despise the @rse licking ERC "Representatives" :hmm:
I remember EW once coming out with the classic line during discussions about T's&C's , "you guys are :mad: eejits, what you need is a union" & No , he wasn't joking. I believe they are truly amazed, & cannot quite believe their luck ,that you have constantly seized defeat from the jaws of victory in your failure to unify.
"Negotiating" for them is like taking candy from a baby, and whose fault is that ? :=

Was not aware that a 7/2 roster was available . you whinging **** think of the money you are earning 7 days on. and only 2 days to spend it. got the girls must think you have a big ***** or something

Pilot999
Do you usually take comfort in other peoples misfortune? You sound like a nasty person.
If you can't construct a meaningful sentence for or against don't bother.
I know like the rest of us here we are waiting to hear an articulate argument against a union in Ryanair. So far nothing.

Spudgunjon,

I don't understand this comment: "one eye over my shoulder looking out for the taxman."

Do you mean:

1) You are concerned that your "employer" is not paying your taxes/social security correctly? Or;

2) Are you for some reason concerned that you, yourself, may wittingly be involved in tax evasion in order to raise your poor salary package to a liveable wage?

If you're involved in tax evasion, I'd be more worried about judgment day if the authorities catch up with you rather than being concerned about Ryanair's ability to crew its aircraft.

As for an argument against a union in FR? There is no cogent argument against. MOL and his cronies are a bunch of crooks. You should stick it to them. 2 days before the Olympics begin.....

widered.

I am probaly one of the least whinging ,polite peeson you will ever meet . However I cannot stand constant moaning, complaining etc. If a guy takes a base on 5/4 and commutes than that is their problem. years ago When I was offered an upgrade I moved with my wife to our new home. We left behind parents etc. Did we moan .No!!!!!!! we got on with building our new home and making it home. Or I could have commuted and saved a lot of money in tax.

Do I like unions NOT A CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pilot999, .....PLEASE go away, ......I understand you are bored, and lack a life filled with most of the normal things that occupy the rest of us,but you are like an annoying fly in the room, albeit as stated in the above post...one with a nasty streak.

Pilot999 I don't think you are alone in being a pilot and not liking unions.
Its a strange fact that some of the people most in need of a union are pilots due to excessive contracter and constant spiralling in terms of conditions.
Your dislike of unions is really totally irrational.
A union is a collective voice for workers given the nature of our employeer we are in need of a collective voice.
Maybe you can explain your reason for disliking unions? A nice articule well formatted argument would be more than welcome.

Pilot999,

you are not as polite as you like to think of yourself as your comment can be found quite arrogant and offensive. ;)

Your statement is not only arrogant, it also lacks intelligence! And why? Because the thing is that in RYR you CANT choose. It is presented as if you can, but in reality you cant. A person might take and accept a 5/4 base, but doesnt want to be there. Their choice might be the best of the worst options presented and therefore they will have to make it work for themselves and their family. But some people might not move as simple as you did. So please spare us your shortsighted comments.

If not mistaken you are 66 years of age and you say they moved you a few years ago? Are you still actually flying for RYR? And dont forget T&C's have gone down fast since you got your base transfer and are still going down. You possibly still got the 'good' deal. Now it is all a lot less! Yes that is possible and keeps going down!

That you appear to be willing to collaborate with a management that you might think gives you a reasonable deal now, but forget to see that this might be gone tomorrow because the management feel like it makes you a fool. And you wont be able to stop them and you might just find yourself in a base where you wont be happy and cant make it work as you do now and make less money than you wanted. How stupid and kidding yourself is that really?

Well done that you made it work wherever it is they did send you, but you clearly dont want the best for yourself and your family and are therefore denying yourself and family a better life. What idiot does that? Or you just want a quiet life and sit and think it will last your time. Because then you are probably right, but you should think of the future of others and the industry as well if you like aviation. Or you are more selfish than I even thought.

So please spare us your foolish comments, although they are slightly amusing ;)

Personally I am not a big fan of unions as well, but pilots in RYR need the union!!

can I ask B73 what percentage of RYR pilots on this merry go round of bases across Europe are paying tax?

pilot999,
It is exactly why we need union representation. To keep or make it possible to built a home and making it a home.
I would like to see the smile on your face when they close your base or make you change base or you have to move when after next pay cuts you are no longer able to afford your 'new home' or they sack you because you just misread your roster or your were really ill for too long...
Your plea is exactly why we want a union. To keep you and all of us happy.
Thanks for that!

Rhino,

I was starting to write an in depth reply saying something along the lines of; "Yes, I imagine everyone is paying tax, maybe not the full amount due to expenses etc but the are paying"
But I really couldn't be bothered to explain it, as it has already been done to death on these forums!

Thanks B738 for your informative reply!

b73 your post is perfect and 100% correct about taxes but its so unfair. I have heard a law has been passed in Ireland very recently that clearly states that if you work on an Irish registered aircraft you pay tax in Ireland. So I'm not even sure how legal the new 'new brookfield contracts are!

Just to make things even more complicated, BRK are a uk registered company that pays it clients in Euro.

"Old Brookfield: most don't pay taxes anywhere. They "float about" the system."

This is a very irresponsible statement and pure hearsay. I have various friends in this position and ALL of them have correct self-employed/company set-ups and meet their obligations in their home countries. You cannot tar all with the same brush. I appreciate 'most' does not = all, but this kind of statement on a public forum could be unwelcome for some.

I don't. I take care of myself and pay uk tax correctly. Personally I like being able to sleep at night!

Does that mean that aircrew working for Air One, Alitalia, Blue Panorama, Tranaero Airlines, DHL, Air Italy, Meridiana Fly, Windjet and God knows how many more airlines that has Irish registrated aircrafts, are going to pay tax in Ireland?

Actually, that might not be such a bad idea! Should solve the problematic Irish economy quite a bit. And maybe help the Euro crisis.

i would think so. its not a rumor either I've seen it in irish television on the news! just have to wait and see what happens!

It is Irish registered Airline, not aircraft. For international fligts.

738driver
 

Absolutely right could not agree more with that post.

I am not disputing what you say, as I do not have all the same facts as you. What I am saying is blurting it out on a public forum is not the wisest move.
And there I leave it.

RAT5
 

Sorry, can't agree with that. I'm not an FR pilot, but I do have to pay my own taxes to the UK Exchequer, being outside of the UK HMRC PAYE system.

Bring it on I say. I'm sick of people not paying their taxes. The dodgers should be ashamed of themselves.

All it does is legitimise (in the minds of the dodgers and "employers") the appalling state of affairs in sh1t outfits like Ryanair. All the "good old boys" won't rock the boat because they're on a "sweet deal" (by which i mean "no questions asked") and they think they are on a better deal than they really are.

Well, you know what? They should pay their way. There are tough times here, right now, where those who earn decent wages should pay their dues.

I'd be happy to have a name and shame board, let alone an anonymous forum where allegations are made. It's rife. I'd actually welcome an HMRC investigation of FR in the UK.

I will happily put my tax reference up for HMRC to check. And I paid my bill in December before anyone asks. But only because I'd forget otherwise.

Pay up. :yuk:

There's a big difference between being tax efficient and tax evasion. If one can prove that there has been no wrong doing, then leave it be.

Rather than forcing scam Limited companies in Ireland, BRK should ask to see proof of tax paid. That way everyone is happy?

Good work to the ryanair airline pilots for sticking together !!!! Well done people and good luck !! You are doing something you can be proud of for years to come!!!:D:D:D

Revolution
 

Were talking about a revolution

Remember the Beatles song

Debate; not argue
 

we have been here before and one thing that must be changed is the tendency lower the level of discussion.

when someone disagrees with the gist of the thread, would it not be better to give an intelligent response, even if for the 30th time?

"use your brain and grow a pair of balls" does not motivate anyone to anything except to stop listening to such individuals.

we all know what happens when the balls take the lead and leave the brains behind.

and one hopes that each will use their own brain rather than let others think for them.

it is a fact that not even all pilots will agree. not all pilots are in the same situation at the same time.

why descend to the same type of responses that ryanair gives to their pilots?

i signed and emailed the form.