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lakunas 28th Jun 2011 09:16

NR
I've heard that next year Wizz wants to go to stock market to attract some more investors and money. I guess will see next year. Yes that's low for sectors and flying nearly 25-30 sect you can count how much money is that.

RGDS

Narrow Runway 28th Jun 2011 09:24

N77
 
I'm not trying to hide.

Do you disagree with what I've said?

n77 28th Jun 2011 09:42

Birdon
 
Code:

stay away from that backward eastern immature bunch of crooks
Can you justify your rude statement please?

Bike 28th Jun 2011 10:05

So gentlemen, back to the topic of BBU, I've made the following two assumptions:

1. That each pilot does about 30 sectors monthly, most of which are falling in the "Medium" length band (sector rate plus 20%), and the remaining spread between short and long ones (extra 40% on the later).

2. No multi-sector days out of BBU which might have done some positive difference on the income.

Did I sum it up correctly?

Narrow Runway 28th Jun 2011 11:53

N77 & Bike
 
N77,

I have left Wizz Air. I promise!!!

Bike,

Your assumptions sound broadly correct, and should therefore avoid you any unnecessary heartache. Good luck, I hope you have fun - enjoy the new machines.

GA Button 28th Jun 2011 12:52

But he's reapplying for DFO ;)

Narrow Runway 28th Jun 2011 13:47

GA Button
 
:= You naughty boy. That's not true.....

....Wizz actually asked me to be DFO.....

.....That's not true either!!!:p

I am happily out of the airline, despite your mischief making:ok::ok::ok:

Bike 28th Jun 2011 15:05

Thanks NR, I appreciate yours and everybody else's feedback.

Daniel777 28th Jun 2011 21:58


As for Wizzair being inondated with unemployed pilots, it may be true, but the ones with proper experience, I doubt. I can see numerous roster days where I don't have an FO until the night before, I am called on my days off on a regular basis (once a month) from Budapest because they're short of piloot/captains. Maybe the "inundating pilots" don't have the right experience, or maybe after applying when they find out they will be sent to CLJ or TGM, they think twice.
Well...There are many Hungarian pilots here in Budapest that have applied to Wizz before with all the necessary qualifications and would be happy to fly the H-registered aircraft from any base.
No matter if it is CLJ or TGM. The queue is quite long, but since the recruitment personnel are from all other countries, this is not an issue that is being dealt with for the last 1-2 years. There definitely would be enough locals to fill the positions. Much more than enough.
Some of them (close friends of mine) with A320TR's are not being called for an assessment...

FLEXPWR 29th Jun 2011 20:20

I am at a loss for words...

So there is an unlimited supply of Hungarian pilots available for immediate employment, some of them rated on the 320, and they sit around not being called? For sure the motives of investors and upper management will always stay a mistery for the average pilot that I am...

Is that you say that Wizzair deliberately makes its own recruitment more difficult in order to satisfy the "preference" of some foreigner (read non Hungarian) being part of the recruitment team?

If that is the case, then I see no reasons some here put discredit on the BBU base pilots for seeing the future more bleak with the allowance gone.... when all this could be sorted by replacing these moany expat pilots with the available Hungarian pilots...but wait, Wizz has not done so...can't see why. :hmm:

Norman Stanley Fletcher 30th Jun 2011 01:37

There are lies, dirty lies and statistics. I cannot imagine there are credible Hungarian pilots with A320 type-ratings waiting for jobs at Wizz who cannot get an interview. By the way, to be a credible A320 pilot you must have some time on the aircraft - having paid for your own rating and having 40 minutes base training would not really cut it with most employers. If, however, there are locals with 1500 hours plus on type and no 'unfortunate' history, then I would be surprised to find any of them struggling to get into Wizz. I stand to be corrected - maybe someone more in the known would like to be more definitive on the subject.

Daniel777 30th Jun 2011 02:28


So there is an unlimited supply of Hungarian pilots available for immediate employment, some of them rated on the 320, and they sit around not being called?
That's correct. I'm not saying there are thousands over here with A320 type ratings but I can name a few of them personally who have applied to wizzair some time ago and still without a job. Many are waiting to join wizzair with fATPL's. I know a number of Hungarian guys personally, who are type rated on the A320, who have applied to Wizzair more than a year ago and not a sign of an interview. Recently however, a number of foreign pilots were hired to the Budapest base. I would be curious which other airline is doing the same.


Is that you say that Wizzair deliberately makes its own recruitment more difficult in order to satisfy the "preference" of some foreigner (read non Hungarian) being part of the recruitment team?
This is what I would like to know as well. A few years back Wizz did give preferance to locals, but at the moment nationality doesn't mean anything. Recruitment is done by foreigners.
(chief pilot, training manager etc).


There are lies, dirty lies and statistics. I cannot imagine there are credible Hungarian pilots with A320 type-ratings waiting for jobs at Wizz who cannot get an interview. By the way, to be a credible A320 pilot you must have some time on the aircraft - having paid for your own rating and having 40 minutes base training would not really cut it with most employers. If, however, there are locals with 1500 hours plus on type and no 'unfortunate' history, then I would be surprised to find any of them struggling to get into Wizz. I stand to be corrected - maybe someone more in the known would like to be more definitive on the subject.
These are not lies. Living here in Budapest and being in good contact with many Wizzair employees I can confirm this.
Okay, it might be true that most applicants do not have 1500 hours on the bus, but would be happy to pay for their TR any time. Wizzair also accepts non type rated applications, they always did. So you are still credible without a TR .
It is another question of course if they recieve millions of applications from experienced A320 pilots. I don't know about that.

At the end of the day I'm sure you agree that most airlines do give preference to their local pilots. This is totally fine, but this is not what's happening here at Wizzair at the moment.
It seems like they only look at experience.

swish266 30th Jun 2011 07:06

locals versus expats
 
I truly believe that any employer, that is permitted to do so, will hire some expats and some locals, this way they stand less chance of getting into trouble.
Expat pilots are notorious for bending over, as well as leaving for greener pastures w/o proper notification...
:}

amsm01 30th Jun 2011 07:29


This is what I would like to know as well. A few years back Wizz did give preferance to locals, but at the moment nationality doesn't mean anything. Recruitment is done by foreigners.
I've always wondered about this focus on nationality that you see quite often in developing (perhaps "developing" in Hungary's case) nations - a pilot is ultimately an input into the system for it to function. Does anyone give a toss about the geographic origin of the oil that was drilled to provide jet fuel for your next flight stuffed with emigrating locals? I doubt it. What pilot nationality has to do with the price of fish is beyond me.

Skipping Classes 30th Jun 2011 10:39

It is not really the nationality that matters, but your domicile. Anyone I know would gladly accept a pay cut and an unstable roster if able to work from home and not having to commute. (Except of the rare cases when somebody doesn't like to be at home because of a failing marriage or the like)

Also, secondary benefits, like staff travel or travel with other airlines are much less important to somebody who does not have to commute. Most of the local pilots don't mind working on a day off as they are away from home only for half a day and it gets them extra income.

Even absence of a decent crew meal is easier manageable if your wife is cooking you a lunch for work every day and you are not staying in a hotel.

Last, but not least, the taxation changes that negatively affected the expats last April actually gave the local pilots a salary raise after taxes.

That's the reason why Polish and Hungarians who work from home are generally happy and expats are generally not.

So as long as all the expats don't leave the company at once and without complying to their 4 months notice - I believe the things are going according to the plan.

These are just my thoughts - I am neither in the management nor in "the know" :)

IAEdude 30th Jun 2011 12:25

Ladies and gents,

The aim of Wizz Air is get rid of the expats, unfortunately. Even the Hungarian crews are getting piss off as well. On top of that, recruitment team is having seriously problems to find suitable romanian candidates for fill the gaps (in case of RO bases). At this stage, motivation of the crews has drop completely.

Time to leave :confused:

amsm01 30th Jun 2011 12:41

D777, yes I believe you are mistaken. I can tell you for a fact that in the company I work for, I have the pleasure of flying most days with people from just about most corners of the world. Let's compare logbooks, mine reads like a guest list at the United Nations.

I don't know what it says in the BA black book of recruitment, but I doubt sincerely if there's any sort of policy to be judenfrei or exclude Eastern Europeans. Aside from being illegal, it's not actually the sort of thing they care about. By and large, corporate UK left that behind many years ago. As long as you're legal to live & work in the UK, meet the aptitude requirements they set and have the correct qualifications I'm sure they'd probably not even think to ask which racially-obsessed part of Eastern Europe one might be from.

Whilst I respect your opinion that an airline ought to take responsibility for employing pilots from its own country, I disagree. An unemployment agency has that responsibility. The airline is a business, its responsibility is to do the best by itself. If we take your argument to its logical conclusion, a a citizen of whatever country you should take responsibility for buying products made in that country. Enjoy your Serbian computer, your Lithuanian car or your Polish mobile phone won't you?

Bike 30th Jun 2011 14:13

Quote: "Last, but not least, the taxation changes that negatively affected the expats last April actually gave the local pilots a salary raise after taxes."

SC,

Can you elaborate a little bit please? What taxation changes have taken place last April?

FLEXPWR 30th Jun 2011 15:43

@Bike:

If you are not aware, many pilots in Wizzair are not employees, but "service providers" (call it freelance or mercenaries, it's todays reality, and not by choice). These freelance pilots have no pension scheme contribution from the company, no medical coverage when they get ill, no personal insurance supported by the airline. They also must take care of their own taxation system and declarations (as is written in some contracts "solely responsible" for income tax). Of course it may be seen as an advantage, but the reality is that when you contribute to income tax in your country of residence, you get some benefits in return, maybe unemployment benefits, social security or retirement, you name it.

In April last year, Wizzair has decided to take money from the pilots wages in the name of their new Swiss fiscal office address. Some received amendments of contracts to sign, some not, but in 12 months it equals to the second pay cut. The difference with any other form of income tax? The pilot gets NOTHING in return! No social security, no retirement scheme, just that right to pay tax! So pay for what? I don't know, and nobody can give a plausible (plausible in this sense means not take pilots for mushrooms) explanation.

The subject of tax has been raised in another thread I believe.

IAEdude 30th Jun 2011 21:11


Originally Posted by FLEXPWR
@Bike:

If you are not aware...

:D:D:D:D:D


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