Aer Lingus
 

Hello All

I've sent in an application however I can't seem to find much info about the T & C's for Aer Lingus.

I understand conditions vary a lot between ROI and UK bases. Am curious to know what kind of salary and roster can one expect upon joining for an experienced A320 FO? I'm also assuming the waiting list for the A330 is quite long, how long can you expect to wait upon joining the company?

Any info would be appreciated.

Regards,

I'll answer that for him.

It may not be the case, but were he to qualify at, say, 19, and go straight into a job, he has 4 years experience and probably over 3000h.

He also has a TR and thus would be classed as an 'experienced' new joiner, as opposed to someone who has come out of flying school or has been flying a light twin around. Thus he doesn't want to know about cadet salaries.

What do you want him to call himself? A fairly-new-fo-with-a-tr-and-some-hours-but-not-masses?

Stop nitpicking, you know exactly what he's getting at.

V1

Royboy didn't say he was experienced. He merely asked what the TCs of a joining experienced FO were.

Someone who takes the avatar of the most important speed in the book should really be more careful

V

As the title of this thread suggests I would like some information about Aer Lingus and if you are 'curious' about my experience then you could have asked me via a PM and kept this thread somewhat free of any other not related topics.

As 170to5 sums up quite well, I indeed did finish my training at a young age and have been lucky enough to fly the A320 for 3 years with around 2500hrs on type. I don't know whether you would call this 'experienced' but I think Aer Lingus might do and therefore I ask about the TC's for 'experienced' pilots.

Now back to the topic at hand! :ugh:

v1 I would say that is a good idea as "experience" can be measured in many ways not just by age. I am sure you are aware of that, despite your posting of age and experience, as it is fairly self explanatory!
To name but a few: Type of aircraft flown, variety of airports visited, take-offs and landings, type of airline/s worked for!!!
IMO these all contribute to experience and would allow people to call themselves "experienced". Up to what level is indeed a fair question.

As per the thread I would imagine the wait for the 330 is a very long one! Consider it in the same timescale as a BA command! Especially as I believe they are ditching one of their fleet which will take them down to 7.

As per the difference in rosters/lifestyles and pay. I had heard that the folk in LGW were unhappy as they were on lower pay scales and the lifestyle wasn't much to rave about. I am happy to be corrected but mine is just hearsay from chatting to a few guys on the staff bus to South Term.

73

:ok: thanks for the advice.

Any clues about roster, both UK or ROI?

I thought the poor guy was asking about Terms and conditions?

Gatwick and Belfast based F/O's are paid less than EZY.

Dublin and Cork based are paid relatively well.

Both bases have similar T and C's however the larger base which is DUB offers greater opportunities. Atlantic ops, more European routes etc....

The pilots are Aer Lingus are balloting for a strike at the moment. They say they are being overworked and that agreements on rostering are not being honoured by management. Not sure if this is correct but the roster is 5 days on 1 day off, as opposed to FR who work 5-6 days on 2-3 days off.

V1...
A question for you mate. Would you prefer a 23 year old co-pilot who has been flying commercially on the bus for 3 years, may be from the age of 19? OR a 45 year old guy who decided to change his career from a shelf stacker in the local supermarket who has no experience of flying a jet just merely 10 hours of Pa34 time ?

Age will help with decision making but then experience of flying the aircraft and the operation will be a greater asset.

i agree with punk.......seasoned older f/o's can bring a lot of baggage to an operation. Give me a young f/o anyday....keen with less atitude says me.

i was sitting rhs on a 732 at 21yrs old......and i didnt fugh it up nor did I fugh up the skippers. I just learnt off them, the good and the bad.

This debate has been interesting :rolleyes:. Whether or not you think a pilot in his early to mid 20's with a few thousand hours can be considered as 'experienced' is somewhat subjective and we can talk about this for a very long time.

I appreciate the few poster's who have been able to answer my initial enquiry and I ask once again to keep any other non-related points out of this thread.

Kind Regards,

Is there a common seniority list between all bases? Or is that different too?

4 years flying the same aircraft would be classified as experienced on type, in my airline that would give you enough experience on type for command assessment. Some military pilots are most probably on the front line by 23.

v1

Nobody shares your views because we've all got more important things to worry about. For goodness sake, does it reaaaally matter whether he's experienced or not? Really? Do you really give a sh** about this menial, irrelevant point? You can either answer the lad's query or you can't. I can't because I don't work for Aer Lingus (even though I'm waiting for the phone to go for interview) so I'll butt out now and leave RoyBoy to try and decipher the good bits out of the nonsensical replies (mine included) thus far.

Point is, it wasn't even the question - the guy just wanted to know about T&C's for AL pilots and called himself experienced so he didn't get info about cadet T&C's - whether he IS experienced or not is utterly irrelevant, both to him and to anyone else!

He never started by saying 'I'm a very experienced, senior 320 F/O and I expect to be paid for my extensive experience, so do AL do that?', which is what v1 seemed to decide he was saying! I took exception for him jumping down RB's throat for something he never said or even intimated. It wouldn't even occur to me that his use of the word in this context could get someone's goat.

v1's defence, that he was just 'curious' and therefore (by implication) was not going to go on a rant about young pups claiming they're experienced, I think can be pretty much put to bed by his following posts...

RB20, as I feel that I may have had some hand in starting this largely irrelevant ramble, I will eventually get around to being some help...keep an eye out on Pilot jobs Network over the next week or so...should appear!

Oh and as for the 330, I reckon the wait will be quite long, yes. With a lot of recent movement from the VS scheme, time to command has increased - quite significantly - and the guys on the 330 are unlikely to move internally for some time after the current 're-jigging'.

However, there are a reasonable number of pilots in both seats looking to move carriers, or who would at least look if there was something else to see, so it may temper much stagnation. I reckon 7 years at the moment, maybe 8 for the 330...and a LOT can happen in 8 years!!!!!

I can only speak from a UK based perspective so if you end up in LGW or BFS you will start on:-


- 40K basic

- about 8K flight pay (fully taxed)

- If type rated be prepared to be bonded for 7k over 3 years

- If not rated, 21k over 3 years or reduced salary.

- Pension is matched up to 9%.

- In Gatwick currently 5-3-5-3 roster but company are trying hard to get rid of it! In BFS a random roster

- You will fly between 800-900 hrs a year.

- Little if any “on calls”

-Lots of FO’s have left or are leaving because disillusioned with how they are treated by the company.


UK bases are treated like the low cost branch of the company


Best of luck to everyone!

170to5 it looks you have some more inside info. Do you know what their plans are for ccq when the 350 is coming? Do you make any chance if you are flying the 320 fleet or only able from the 330?


THNX!

Sorry Royboy
 

V1,

Im sorry my friend but I am going to ask have you got a license? The reason I ask is that you dont know what a Pa34 is!

I understand there are many aircraft around and you cant know them all but if someone is applying for Aerlingus they obviously have the fATPL and 10 hours in a pa34 would hint towards multi engine time not single engine:ugh:

There is no clear definition of 'Experienced'.....for example if I have been driving a car for 1 year and you have just started I would be classed as experienced compared to you.

punk666

No you'r quite right i did not know a pa34 was a twin, i (foolishly) assumed it was a single, and yes i do infact hold a license!!

Anyway i realised my curiosity took this thread off topic so have deleted my posts, also i didnt ask for you to define the word experience my point was what time in ones career can we be classed as experienced ie how many years/hours on type

Think it best we leave it there, maybe a thread set up to answer this better is more appropriate

Apologies royboy