Moron!


Moron


Moron


Moron


Moron!!!!!

You can do better than that.

I know!!!!

BALPA quoted recently that Flybe don't utilise ~70% of it's standby cover. Crazy. Are you all on on AS or home SBY?!

Both CalmCavok

Ah im sure many will be inspired to join flybe after reading the above posts :rolleyes:

It's a fantastic thread creep...

However, really nothing here is relevant to the original discussion - and it did turn into a discussion about the merits of having something that will go for longer, higher and faster than something we can get up 4 times a day (something I believe the 195 guys don't know too much about!)

In order to bring it back on topic though...

There must be quite significant holding pools in the company still at the moment? I ran into a few new guys a couple of days ago and they said that there were 12 new starters on their course alone... So where is everybody going??? I didn't think that there were that many leavers so far??

There aren't that many leaving mate, it's to fill holes in the far reaching places that nobody wants to go, i.e. IOM - BHD - GCI - JER etc etc. A couple have gone to EDI, and a few are off round the network to cover retirements and the commands that have been granted this year (about 13 so I was told)

Yeah, I wasn't too sure - it just seemed that suddenly over the course of the last 6 months, everybody pretty much got the bases they wanted. I know I did and I can name at least 10 more beneath me on seniority who are coming here too from this bidding alone... and I'm quite junior too!

However, whichever way you look at it, I don't think that we will be recruiting too much for the next year. Those hold pools have had a healthy couple of years to swell up and I would be surprised if those don't meet the crew requirement for this year.

We shall see though - I might be totally up the wrong tree

Not the merits, or lack thereof, of anything. Just fact, as opposed to the continuous self aggrandizing you normally hear from a Q400 pilot.

Of course, when they aren't ground gripping until the engineers turn up with some Bombardier Viagra.

Another old chestnut well and truly roasted. Notwithstanding the fact that the 195 guys spent years doing what you are now before doing what they do now. Don't worry, if you spend as long at Flybe as they have you'll achieve what they have.

Do you think that bitter delusional turbo prop pilots are what potential recruits want to end up flying with?

I don't give a rats arse about the 195 vs the Q400 debate. I cannot give a flaming toss into the bowels of hell. I've got many bigger and larger things to worry about in my life than what you think of the Q400 pilots/ what the Q400 pilots think about the 195 pilots.

Is it really indicative of the morale of this company that every thread that we have on here turns into some great argument?

For christs sake - this is a thread about recruitment for the airline.

Now... can this please get back on topic? Or failing that... locked?

Thank you

So don't perpetuate it then. Easy.

By the way this is a discussion, we are allowed to discuss and present our points of view and opinions. We don't need to get heated dear boy. A discussion will run it's course and may produce fresh discussion on a different subject matter. You can't tell anyone what they may or may not discuss.

Such a moron!

Back to the original thread?
 

Gosh, I cant believe my original thread was about recruitment at FlyBE

Well just to get us back on topic, I phoned HR at Exeter again yesterday to ask some more questions, I told them about my hours on the dash (just shy of 3000) and told them that I'd like an Exeter base if possible, she said that Exeter is fine so long as I'm willing to wait in the pool for a vacancy. She said I'd be starting on just shy of £30K and that direct entry command is unlikely. In fact people who already have a command and that are in or going to be in the holding pool will be asked to join as an F/O. She also said that I should check the website from now until Christmas as they're looking at opening pilot vacancies soon.

I forgot to ask when they actually start paying you i.e join date or FLC.

And as to those of you who keep comparing the dash to cars/jets and arguing about it e.t.c. e.t.c..... well, how much time have you got on your hands? perhaps it's time to find another hobby. I fly the dash 300 and it's got some of the 400 oddities (so has the 100 and 200). Well it's a plane deal with it, cant see the sense in getting worked up about it.

Hear hear Airpasty.

Their online application allows updating (seems I hadn't updated my details for some time!). Does anyone know whether this is something that is likely to be observed at HR HQ, or does one ideally need to follow up these changes directly? Obviously, one wouldn'yt wish to cause a nuisance but if these old applications fester in the recesses of their databanks I would like to know!

Cheers,

VFE.

Airpasty, did you ask what her definition of "just shy" was?

Sorry about your thread, I just think it's important to publish accurate information.

They started paying me a full salary from day 1.


I doubt we'll see the need for DE commands at flybe for a very long time. About two thirds of the dash FO's and nearly all of the Jet FO's have the required hours for (q400) command. Joining flybe now and you'll be joining at the bottom of this very long queue for upgrade.
However, the company are currently ramping up training for command upgrades. The problem is that this training stops short of sending the FO's off to the SIM for LHS checks and training. There are about 20'ish guys in this position at the moment. The reasoning is that if there is a max exodus of skippers (like the birmingham 28), then these guys are 3-4 weeks away from being released to the line as Captains. Of course these psuedo-skippers are still on FO pay.

Flybe's recruitment model works simply as Captains leave - replace with expensive (year 4-5) FO - replace expensive FO with cheap cadet FO. Which, works out cheaper as you have replaced one expensive captain with a cheap year 1 captain, and also replaced an expensive FO with a year 0 FO.
This will continue until some link in the chain is broken.

She said I'd be starting on just shy of £30K
 

So just a phone call to HR and they (she) offer you a job and the base you want as well, no interview or sim check?????? You must be related to uncle Jim:E

That's not how things worked when I was at Flybe!

they`ll tell you all you want to hear.
They promised me the earth, just what i wanted to hear and several years later still waiting for any of it to come true, - static market granted!!

if you want a particular base, command or seat on a 195 then be prepared for a long wait, and as someone else said, join the back of a very long que with everyone else already there!!

All good flying in the mean time, a fun and interesting place to be, but management have a habit of leaving all in the dark and waiting while they move in mysterious ways!!

and dont count on rushing onto a 175 either!!!

Ooooo, I can see a lot of applications mysteriously being 'lost' in the system if our Flight Ops Recruitment Manager is referred to as working in HR once more. Bad wannabees...............bad wannabees! :}

And we can have as many 'experienced' FOs as you like ready for upgrade, but if the TRI/TRE skips leave the company and none of the genuine experienced skips want the job (a bit like '04/'05) then you will definitely be looking at DEC provided the have the requisite qualifications and experience. I believe dear old Liz may have a small surplus of just such people in the very near future.

Hmmmm......wonder what might happen here.......:hmm:

Pasty, unless things have changed a lot, as far as I am aware you'll be paid from your join date. For now, flybe are still a proper company. I'm not sure about flight duty allowance for groundschool or initial sim etc, that might have changed to some kind of per diem. Good luck.

airpasty

If you think you'll start on anything near £30k think again, you'll start on Year 1 F/O salary which is about £25k
If you think you'll get an Exeter base any time soon think again, you'll be swimming in the pool for a fair while. Exeter is losing a Dash for the winter, and is not regaining it for the summer, this leaves them at least 33% over crewed.
If you haven't got any command time in your 3,000hrs on the Dash then forget a DEC, infact, forget a DEC anyway. I can't see many, if any TREs leaving as Otto alludes to. Even if we did lose a few can you really see current Dash captains turning down full jet salary and not accepting the job? I can't. Also the training dept. is slightly over crewed. All the ex bacon TRI/Es were made to do the job because they were getting paid the money after the "merger". Anyway, the talk of TRI/Es leaving is irrelevant, if they do leave then you won't be hiring DECs to take on those roles unless they have TRI/E on their licenses.
GusHoneyBun's last paragraph sums it up very nicely.

You get paid salary from day 1, expenses are paid during any (initial) training, can't remember about the FDP during training.

D777

p.s. I'm not sure the 300 has any Q400 "oddities", more like the Q400 has 300 oddities, because good ol' Mr Bombardier decided it was a clever idea to make it a common type :ugh:

Rumour around the network, all command upgrades have been suspended, some folk who have completed there command ground school have been told to jump back in the right hand seat!
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Air Pasty

If youre planning on leaving a command in ASW to join here as an FO, then take my advice - dont do it!!

You'll wait a fair while for an EXT base to start with just as an FO.
You'll wait years and years for a command here....theres one plane down in EXT and a queue of SFOs waiting for commands here aswell as the captains who left EXT to get a command and are now waiting to get back.
DECs are a none starter for years to come.
Q400&300 arent massively different other a few odd things and perf!

I did the same and, whilst i dont regret it, it might not be such a great move nowadays!

The biggest benefit you will get if you did do it is job security. Pay wise, i started on £30k with a 1 yr bond but i doubt you could haggle for that now. I dont earn much less than ASW capts with my fdp.

One thing i will say is - life is ALOT stricter and harder in Flybe than it is in ASW!

Good luck anyway.....both have got great crew to work with!

tuna

There's now 2 Dash 8s in EXT, they had 3 in the summer but have now lost one permanently :ok:

Air Pasty,

Ignore Deano777, he is a grumpy bugger sometimes.;)

I Joined the company a couple of years a go. 2 FO's on my TR course (same date of joining) started on pay scale year 2, which is £29677. I understand they jumped to that scale as they had X amount of hours on an aircraft type over X amount of Kg MTOW. So not every new joiner starts on year 1 pay point.

In support of Deano777, I do find it very hard to believe there are seats to fill at EXT!!! There are quite a few FO's around the network that I know of that want to relocate to EXT. However as always us pilots are never aware of the big picture, who knows what they have planned!

As regards to FDP while training. If I remember correctly you don't get any. However the company will pay £15 per a day for your dinner which you claim back. Flybe do start paying 100% of your basic salary from day 1 though.

I will not get involved with the silly argument about how easy / hard the Q400 is to fly. I like it and thats that! Hope this helps?

Regards to my friend Deano777:ok:

Choppercopper 99:)

Deano,

Correct.....it was badly written on my behalf! Ut should have read - EXT is one plane down!

It was only last yr there was 4 q400 here! Never mind!!

Exeter Till I Die!!!

Hmm...something doesn't add up here? We're coming into winter, by all accounts a quieter period, company reducing aircraft allocation to certain bases (e.g EXT) and yet they're about to recruit? Where are all these vacancies coming from...I didn't think the exodus had happened (yet).

I assume (and hope) if this is true that they are about to empty out their hold pools....I've become an olympic swimmer since my interview and sim check ages ago :ok:

Me? Grumpy? :E

I'd be very disappointed if that's all they're up to next year.

Don't get too excited, they run these courses annually.

Back to recruitment....

Managed a little update over the last week from the guys in that area. As is well publicised at the moment, the MPL guys are edging closer to line flying.

Another batch of new entrants to the company have started, 5 or so, they have come from one of the many hold pools of newly qualified... I do not know how many are still swimming.

Unfortunatly, some very recent command upgrades have been put on hold. Probably a combination of some uncertainty over the winter program, or just generic rethinking. A shame for those guys, but I'm sure they'll be rescheduled in the very near future.

Gaps on the 195 have opened up as FO's realised commands on the Dash this summer, these are being back filled by Q4 FO's, and thus the gaps at the very bottom.

Flybe are very pragmatic, and do realise we will loose a lot of crews as the bigger boys continue recruiting, recent loses have been to the sandpit etc... Expect to see reasonable movement from the various hold pools in the new year.

Flybe Recruitment?
 

I heard a few days ago that lots of people are leaving Flybe for bigger and better things. HR Says no recruitment until the end of the year but maybe before. Some say the holding pool is full and some say nearly empty...

Really want to fly for them so can anyone shed some light on whats really going on please?:ugh:

My guess is about 70% of the pilot workforce are utterly desperate to leave, but no real meaningful doors open right now for people masses of Q400 hours, either seat. The only guys getting jobs right now are those with jet hours, but with the number resigning seemingly on the up, will hopefully in time give other escapees the currency they need to get out, and obviously make space on the Q400 fleet.

Bear in mind though relations between the pilots and management are currently in the gutter, there are anecdotal threats of redundancies and hull disposals. We don't yet know if there is substance to this or if it would be retribution for everyone standing up and saying they've had enough of being treated with contempt for years. Judging by your name though you may well be one of the tiny number of people for whom Flybe might be a step up. Best of luck.

So far I know of a dozen that have left to Gulfair, at least one to Lingus, one to Jet2, one to a 747 operator.

Anyone have any other info?

There will certainly be no redundancies thats just speculation/evil rumour.

I had been told that they would be opening up the online application again and recruiting by the end of the month (I was told this in March), still no sign of this happening. Its so frustrating because I would jump at the chance to work for Flybe.

you and "airpasty" sound like managenment .................."would love to work for flybe " this is getting pathetic !!!!

I would suggest that until the dust settles on the 'pay and scheduling' talks with ACAS, the company won't know how much is in the coffers. Consequently they wont know how many new pilots they can afford (if any,) and likewise with any shiny new hairyplanes.

With a confirmed order of 35 Embraers to be delivered ca 4-5 a year, I doubt we'll see all of those airframes as there doesn't seem to be much in the way of any plan yet as far as I can see.

Like the man said, doom and gloom................

:{:=

Things may change in the not-too-distant future. This week's Flight International has a recruitment advert for non-rated pilots at Fly Dubai. Plenty of Flybe pilots in both seats meeting the minimum requirements for FOs at least.

I don't think its pathetic, I have been looking for an airline job for a while now whilst struggling to build my hours in a job which only gives me a few per month. I know many people within flybe, most love the job and don't want to leave, that is why I would jump at the chance to work for Flybe!!! By the way I am not management and have no affiliation with Flybe whatsoever, I am mearly expressing an opinion seconded by many out there looking for their first break in to the airline world.