Rhino sorry i was trying to say that all airlines come out with the crew costs and efficiencies not just your mob. The problem (from experience) is if you go light on crews then a fixed roster can grind the airline to a halt whereas a flexible one can keep it going for a little longer. The efficiency maybe for example moving towards a Ryanair type pattern (noting whipsnaps comments).
I'm sure the "consultants" will come up with something novel.

My own personal opinion is EZY have created the problem themselves, target and bonus driven rather than focusing on maintaining crew numbers. Now they are in a hole they are back tracking on their FRMS principles (although they have created a monster) and all they have learned. Moving to random rosters isn't the answer for sure....

Having just survived the cull up at NCL and mighty grateful I am. I will now not extend the company anything extra. I am happy to do single engine taxi out/in.
However the APU stays on during turnround to create a more comfortable work environment. Discretion is an absolute no no before leaving home base on a 4 sector day and I am now seriously tempted to refuse on the final sector. I would prefer that to filling out a fatigue report. It would also demonstrate the correct crewing balance needed to operate our ambitious route pairings.

I think you make sense. The more people who pull out all the stops all the time to make unrealistic over ambitious schedules work just prove to the bean counters their penny pinching cuts work and so all there'll do is cut more.....:ugh:

I can see the two sides to the argument about working with the company (Management) mainly NSF and Doug who i think by the looks of it don't agree on much but both raise good points even if they are at the opposite end of oposing opinions!!

I think most pilots are professional individuals and a certain amount of disruption comes with the territory, but if that disruption is continually caused by managements short sightedness then i think it is right at some point to say no :mad:off!

I expect most airlines have operated at the minimum crew levels this summer with no fat in the system at all and taken advantage of crews goodwill, certainly the case where I am.

I really hope that all the companies (not just Easy) take a look at the disruption caused by lack of crews and over ambitious schedules and get levels back up for next year. :confused:

I think sometimes pilots forget that airlines wouldn't get very far without us, yet we are extremely good at selling ourselves short and seeing the gradual erosion of the very few good things left, a fixed roster at Easy being one of them!!!

If ever there was a time to stand up and reinstall some pride back into what we do now is the time with the current recruitment going on in the Middle East for the foreseeable future, UK companies must be starting to get a little concerned about experience going to the sand!! Then again they probably don't think that far ahead, what was i thinking.............:E

"I really hope that all the companies (not just Easy) take a look at the disruption caused by lack of crews and over ambitious schedules and get levels back up for next year."

They won't until you all stop going into discretion, stop working 'days-off', agreeing to the occasional extra sector etc. And that requires a unified approach from all the pilot (and cabin crew) workforce.

While you do go that 'extra mile', you will get no thanks from your management and they will carry on with whatever they can get away with, safe in the knowledge that the workforce will do nothing. All you are achieving is perpetuating and concealing the incompetence and greed of your managers.

The only thing any management understands is when nothing gets airborne on Monday morning - you'd be amazed how quickly they'll come running to the table. Just take a look of the modus operandi of the rail sector workers and see how quiclky the threatened strike by BAA employees was resolved.:D

Regarding bean counters and the way they run businesses, and the (often) disastrous results that occur is based on the way said bean counters have become more (unduly) influential in running a company.

It is not just in aviation where a accountant's qualification somehow brings with it expertise in all areas of business from sales, marketing, HR, operations, manufacturing, after-sales etc etc.

Instead of concentrating on "keeping score", which is the fundamental purpose of an accountant, they play with spreadsheets all day cutting back capital expenditure here and there and then reporting to the board how wonderful they are because they have saved £xxx and get a pat on the back from all around the table..

Consequences from these actions, such as not investing in the correct amount of crew, ie cancelled flights, overstretched employess etc and then simply tackled as and when (and intentionally if) they happen...

It's the "we'll cross that bridge if we come to it" method of management...

Until a fundamental rethink of the way business are financed and run by executive boards is imposed and implemented there will be no change to the way businesses are run.

For what it's worth, I think that company boards should in their corporate governance rules always have to plan and implement policies that (with the best of intentions) should ensure company success for the next 25 years. This would readdress the balance quite quickly from fast buck earning by short term careerist board members to the employees of the company that actually ensure the business runs day to day, and who's goodwill is constantly mined by beancounters' decisions...

Sorry it's a bit rambling, but I hope you get the idea.

Back to Easyjet - still B..... All on their website... in fact references to 2009 are still there along with a few cobwebs. I wonder if anything's going to change come Wednesday?!!

Eagle 21, Not many of the flexicrew pilots meet the min. requirements to apply for Emirates- so it certainly won't be them leaving. About the new EZY contracts offered is a different story.

For Qatar Airways, you only need 1000 hours jet time

EGCC4284 - if you think that EZY roster patterns are fatiguing, or that your management are aggressive and incompetent, then best you don't even mention the "Q" word until you have first hand experience of both :(

Qatar Airways
 

Now that's a real quality airline, widely known for it's excellent treatment of crews... := :ugh: :yuk: :rolleyes:

TSandPSintheGREEN

Back to Easyjet - still B..... All on their website... in fact references to 2009 are still there along with a few cobwebs. I wonder if anything's going to change come Wednesday?!!

What is happening on Wednesday??

Cheers:ok:

Would also like to know what's happening on Wed?!?

Qatar Airways is the place desperate pilots go! We still know, albeit with lots of improvement, EZY will not be Europe's answer to Qatar!

still on the holding pool with more than 4000 hrs ,ha ha ha ha it s so funny

:ok::ok: pitiful:cool:

JPHIL68 - I think to call yourself pitiful is a little harsh. I think it is more a question of just being totally uninformed. EasyJet have not taken anyone out of the hold pool for years because the hold pool is dead and buried - totally defunct. I realise to many people that is a disappointment, but that is the way it is.

I heard they were starting to open their recruitment page as of 1 Sept, but as usual - :mad: rumour!!

Current Vacancies
Thank you for your interest in joining easyJet.

Our requirements for 2010 have been met and all recruitment activities are complete.

Sean Dillon
 

"Qatar Airways is the place desperate pilots go!"

I resent that statement. I know it's not everyone's cuppa, but to call me (and everyone else) desperate is very arrogant. I HAVE a stable roster, I HAVE a family life, I HAVE 10-14 days off a month (not including stby's, which we're almost never called on), I HAVE a decent salary, and I DON'T get fatigued, I live in a house I could only dream of back home, I drive a car I never even knew existed.

I'm happy where I am, and my family is happy. What's so desperate about that?