70 F/Os resigned? Where the hell have they gone then?

Sandpit I believe.

Dead right,
ek recruitment is full of ezy cv,s.both seats want out,even the boss at ek is asking whats gone wrong at the orange machine,.....answer is whats right,t and c(no)flexy everyone(no):mad:,let me tell you a story (no)..and norman stanley and his spin friends(NO),
:p

PS rumour tonight is short of 200 skippers for Aug and 70 FO's have resigned in the last week.

I think not, 70 FO resignations is a ridiculously inflated figure. Divide by 10 and your a bit closer :zzz:

It is extremely important, if we are to be credible, to ensure the figures we quote are accurate. I simply do not believe that we are 200 skippers short and that 70 resignations have just been received. I know that a number are in the pipeline, but I will be amazed if those figures are anywhere close to being correct.

Regarding the alleged intimidation of the Parc guys, this must be clearly and thoroughly investigated by the Union. If found to be true, heads must roll - we simply cannot tolerate that in any way, shape or form. I am one of those who dared to believe that we were entering a new period of engagement with our managers - if these rumours are substantiated then that would prove otherwise and we cannot be expected to be compliant.

The bottom line for me is that I do not fear hard talking and am willing to engage with the company on all levels. What I could never accept are under the table deals or threats whereby a handful of desperate young pilots are used to try and break the Union in any sphere of our operations. If any of those pilots are reading this, they should actively seek the advice of BALPA before signing anything as this could seriously backfire on them. I wait with interest to see the outcome of the inevitable behind-the-scenes activities that will take place over the next few days.

You see, that's what i really don't like.

I'm not desperate at all. I have 2000hrs on A320 and more total.Flown in three different continents and not just on ILS's with AP on.
I will not bend to an insult as what was offered lately.

And you know what? if i will get offered something like that at the end of my contract i will simply say thank you and leave. And i will for sure find something else.

Understand?

Giggey et al...
 

Giggey,

Firstly, good on you for having the balls to stand up for yourself. Bravo!!

NSF,

It's time to realise that your management have screwed up massively in every way possible. They don't deserve your respect anymore.

Now there is a new broom in town, you guys should be pushing for regime change immediately.

NSF wrote; [QUOTE]we were entering a new period of engagement with our managers [QUOTE]

Interesting what the dictionary has to say about the word...

Engage

Make over as a pledge, pawn, mortgage. Put at risk, compromise. Bind by legal or moral obligation. Urge, persuade, induce. Secure for one's own use. Enter into. Insert into. Attract and hold fast. Fasten, attach.
With reference to combat; Enter in to combat, bring to battle, (of combatants), bring together preparatory to fighting.

It can be very instructive to examine the real meanings of those unusual/misplaced words so widely scattered into management wankspeak, they expect you to be wowed and impressed with their cleverness in using words that hitherto had never been used in that context, and hope to demonstrate their intellectual superiority by bamboozling you by it's use. They are always careful imply, but never confirm the word's "new" out of context meaning, and it is of course seldom what you thought it would be.

I have long deplored the use of "engage" in this context as having an implied meaning of "cosying up to to" or similar, when as you can see it really means "insert into", "enter" and "engage in battle". All thoroughly well understood principle of certain companies' "managements".

None of the other definitions given here are particularly positive either.

Listen to what they actually mean, not what you thought they said!

Management wankspeak is nothing more or less than verbal fraud.
Again, a well known technigue.

Personally I don't want to be "entered into" any further by management, thank you. My eyes are watering enough as it is.

Facta non verba. Facile.