Easyjet ongoing pilot requirments contract or otherwise?
 

If their fleet is going to continue expanding by another 10 odd aircraft a year until 2012, retirements, loss of medicals, upgrades of existing permanent Fo's. blah blah blah

How many extra pilots do they need to run a full service from feb - october compared with the winter.

Surely they will have to recruit from the experienced FO's out there at some point. If only to overcome the lag of training and rating a newby.

Plus, If not, how the hell do they ever expect to fill the void between the existing skippers and low houred FO's.

Or have i missed something?

On a brighter note. I was just reading Flight Training News. Every month they keep telling me that Europe is going to need 70 odd thousand new pilots over the next 15 years or so :confused:.

We will all have 10 jobs each then.


Apparently. :hmm:

10 jobs each!? Wow, that IS good news, we should be able to pick and choose.

I want concorde out of retirement, especially for me. And I want a solid gold seat. And £1000000. A Day.
God bless the pilot shortage!
oh...hang on....

Nobody's told you the reality of Santa Claus and the tooth fairy then?

If you want me to break it gently I'll PM you if ask.

At the rate pay is going down the drain in this profession 10 jobs each will be a necessity rather than a nicety by the time this mess is fixed.

Parc and CTC are recruiting experienced Airbus FO's on behalf of easyjet for this summer. Thankfully it's not all pay to fly cadets :yuk:

Yep, and on such enticing terms & conditions :yuk: encore.

The deal for experienced FO's isn't bad. Pay to fly FO's I completely agree with you :yuk:

Now that mention BMI, how can they gather up all of the experienced crews on decent terms and conditions and throw them on the scrapheap. Then at the same time bring in the self sponsored line trainees.

I thought under UK employment law you could only make someone redundant if their position no longer existed?

Is this not a breach of that law - because their positions still do exist.......

You cant just shaft someone because you dont like the amount of money you had agreed to pay them....can you?

I would have thought that was a basic, as BALPA have recognition in BMI, hasn't someone asked and received a response to this from them yet ?

flapsfullretard

Didn't realise it was £55/hr. Mate of mine told me it was 20 odd percent more than that which I didn't think was bad. Not great but in the current climate, not bad. £55/hr isn't good, I agree but sadly it's an employers market right now and many facing redundancy will have to take it.

comparison with corporate market
 

Came over here to check out what you airline types are dealing with on the pay issue. I know that most airline pilots are on a flight hour pay contract of some kind, but how many hours do you average per year? I ask so that I can get an idea of what a typical EasyJet Captain makes after, say 10 years or so. Am I in the ballpark if I guess around 100K?

its depends where capt is based, but ya on uk contract your looking at 100k ish

If you started 10 years ago then yes, that's what you might get paid today.

If you started now, then in 10 years time you will probably be contracted, or employed by yourself and be on an hourly wage for 8 months of a year. So who knows.

keithskye - £100k is about correct after 10 years, but as others have stated, that is basically under 'old' terms and conditions. I am not sure a newly promoted captain at easyJet could expect to earn that in 10 years time (inflation corrected etc). The hours you fly depend on which base you are at. If you are Gatwick-based you can expect to fly very close to the legal limit of 900 hours per year. The hours are significantly less than that at the regional bases (down to 650-ish I am told). I have just checked my 'rolling 365' and tonight it stands at 910 hours. Apparently that is legal because it will be sorted by the end of the month and below the legal limit of 900. So on one hand easyJet is about as secure an airline as currently exists, but you will work yourself to death if you are a pilot there. On the plus side, the 5354 rostering system is a God-send and you fly brand new Airbuses that have every mod con Airbus can provide. There is a good safety culture, but the company is increasingly run by thieves and robbers who would leave you in the street without a pennie to your name if they could. As someone who feels permanently exhausted, however, that flying rate is not sustainable in the long term.

Mod cons?? What about the foot warmers.

Frost bitten feet are not far away on some of our longer sectors!

Alexander Meerkatovich, I'd be interested to hear how you reconcile your points that that you're and that with the While I don't doubt for a moment what you say, I would be surprised that if what you say is true, it doesn't detract significantly from safety. You are after all operating these aircraft right? Whilst knackered? I'd like to see your idea of a poor safety culture.

I've heard from others the footwarmers are like a chocolate teapot.

If you open all the vents around you that slows it getting coldsoaked, but hard to stop on a Paphos or a Sharm!

Keith

I suspect you'll find that the european bases are on much bigger money. An acquaintance moved out there for the contract and is earning a tidy sum, significantly over £100k. Not sure on the official deal, maybe someone here could post it.

Caudillo,

I think what the Meerkat is alluding to is that working these hours there is a hightened risk of killing yourself whilst driving home. There have been cases of Pilots falling asleep at the wheel on the way to work!

No pilots should be working that hard or feel compelled to...an early grave.


Binder

I'm not convinced tiredness is so binary. Everything is fine and dandy in the aircraft but you step out into the car and all of a sudden you're a risk?

I've done a decade of 900hrs, earn £102k and have no complaints about the aircraft or roster or my boss. Colleagues in Italy take home >10,000 Euro a month and the Spanish and French are not far behind and for FO's 6,000.


Its not brilliant. But it kicks the arse of most. Its also making a profit..


WWW

I concur with WWW. Overall easyJet is a good airline to work for. That does not mean that we do not have significant issues, particularly in regard to the terms and conditions of new joiners. Nonetheless as WWW says, we work hard, get paid well if you have worked there a few years and we are making money. We are about to have a bit of an exodus to sandier climbs for reasons best known to those who are on their way. I personally am a total loss to understand why anyone who has a choice would work for companies like Qatar, but in the end it is all horses for courses. The lure of that long-haul job flying bigger jets seems just too much and when weighing up the options all common sense and rational thought seems to fly out the window. We have also hacked off so many people that they are actively looking elsewhere, which is a real shame. For all easyJet's faults, it is a fair place to work where race, religion or nationality play no part in your advancement within the company. We have come to take that for granted, and it is only when you see what passes for normality within Middle Eastern companies that you realise just how forturnate you are. Those clamouring to go to the sandpit will soon grasp what a perilous place it can be for the innocent of heart, who believe that those nice promises made at the interview have any basis in fact. EasyJet is not perfect, but thinking there is a promised land out there just desperate to clasp you to its bosom is extremely unwise and can lead to career suicide. I for one will be staying Orange a little bit longer.

I appreciate all the feedback!
 

What I've learned is that my income on the bizjet side is very good for what I do (about 100K GBP), especially considering I fly only 300 or so hours per year. The downside is that I am based in the UK but paid in USD, which is good right now, but when the market goes the other way, I make a lot less. The other part of the downside is that I have no schedule whatsoever ~ I am on call 24/7, though the boss rarely ever gives me less than 24 hours notice. I usually know our flying schedule for a week in advance, sometimes longer. That is very hard for some to deal with.

Another plus, though, is that I fly a sexy bizjet, and I keep my overnight bags in my own closet onboard and everything is laid out and equipped as I like it and no one but me or my F/O touches anything in that airplane ~ it's as if I own it. The other perk is that we usually stay in nice suites in hotels that our boss owns in the south of France and other nice places, and our layovers are typically several days, so you can definitely relax a bit and enjoy the scenery.

I did the regional airline thing years ago, and sometimes I find myself really missing the ability to make plans based on my "line" or monthly trip schedule, and the ability to do trip trades with other pilots. One of the things I really enjoy now is that I do more than just drive the airplane. I do all the flight planning, choose the routes, choose the FBOs we use, and so much more, especially when the boss wants to go to places I haven't flown into before. And that is a lot of fun to me!

NSF - I couldn't agree more -

The future is Orange - TJ

Hello NSF..... I think you are right......

I am going in June, but then so is Andy.....

Best of Luck to all of you