Alaska Airlines B-737NG pilot's looking for work
 

Hello All,

I am a recent poster here and am looking for some information for myself and other colleagues. Our employer, Alaska Airlines, has announced possible furlough's coming this fall, and we expect they will also offer leave's of absense. I know of many of us looking for the opportunity to take a year off and work somewhere else in the world. We would appreciate any leads.

I myself am looking for a one year contract just about anywhere in the world; in particular an interesting place for my family to enjoy immersion in a foreign culture. I have 14,000 hours mostly in B-737 (200, 300, 400, 700, 800, 900) with over 3,500 hours as B-737 PIC. I also have ten years experience as an instructor pilot and line check airman, but would prefer to just fly the line. Rate of pay is less important than decent rostering opportunities, fun and challenging flying and interesting destinations and domiciles.

Cheers,

B

India here I come.

Bring Immodium pills.

Seriously, good flying over there, but a different culture amd sanitary conditions.

Fly Dubai
 

Try FlyDubai, new start up with NG's. Starting in 2009.

SpiceJet are looking for DEC on the NG's

Hi Burks,

try here Pilot Jobs Network - hundreds of airlines listed , if you look at the right column you'll find plenty of contract opportunities.
Finding the best combination of good roster&cool location isn't the easiest thing but not impossible either.
Keep us posted and all the very best with your AS job!

One word: China. I would look for the Shenzen contract offered by one of those outsourcing firms. You can fly 737NGs at Shenzen Airlines.

Ryanair -800s, about 28 bases throughout Europe. You can fly with your FAA ATP with a validation from the IAA.

IR

I am an A330 Captain with a European Airline. I would love to work for a U.S. airline and experience American culture for a few years while my own airline is laying off pilots. I would appreciate if some of our American colleagues could assist me in finding suitable employment as a captain with a U.S. airline.

Try Cathay, stay in Alaska on a base, you can still take your family on
some adventures without turning their lives upside down. You can fly
747-400 freighters from ANC.

Tooloose,

OUTSTANDING, we will wait together to be killed in the rush........not.

Innovative post that for the educated I believe has hit it's mark exactly where you intended.

Low & slow

Jox :D :ok:

Sure, but you gotta take Dubya and Big Dick. And get your Guinness in a can. And pay for your medical insurance.

There's a few others, but I think that will suffice for now. I don't want to get greedy.

Tooloose, actually if the American charter airlines flew A330's we could most likely help you. But seeing as they mostly fly old junk if they are still in business I'm afraid you will have to head to the ME or Asia to help out your poor furloughed fellow pilots. BTW I think Tool maybe a more appropriate name for you.:=

stator vane,

In your opinion Tooloose & I are righteous prats, I can live with your considered opinion as I clearly resemble such a puerile remark.

This is what I do for a living, contrary to others I am incredibly proud of what I do and have been in the industry since I was 20. When I was younger I used to wonder at the opinions of those who worked around me but realised over time that cut throat companies have succeeded in eroding terms and conditions that make people like me who will stand for a open, honest and fair playing field of competition be referred to as dinosaurs.

This industry, my industry, your industry is in a time of great flux. I have no great concern if your company goes belly up in these difficult economic times, Lord knows yours has eroded sufficient of the terms and conditions that others of us see as worth fighting for having been employed these years with them to perceive the benefit in fighting to maintain them.

I have no worry if your job were to be taken by an ex-United pilot, I would wish him good luck to be able to work for an outfit that will allow him to work with the licence he holds. When it's you or him and he is cheaper, please do not expect Tooloose and me to be fighting for you.

Have a look at other people’s opinion on the company I believe you work for. Pretty much sums it up for me. Righteous I may be in your opinion but I have worked a long time to get what I believe I deserve, those your age in my company fought hard to ensure I would be in a position to benefit from reasonable terms & conditions and would survive to receive it.

If you are happy doing what you are doing for those who you do it for then smile sweetly and be grateful for still being able, there are those amongst us that will allow others who we cannot compete against to be competitors in our own back yard even if we cannot work for their old employers.

That for me is unacceptable, you are clearly happy to do so. Such is your right of opinion but I do not believe you will see me resort to name calling, I am professional and I would be grateful if you would respect the opinion of others without taking your opinion as being the one that counts.

A job is a job, we all need one, I am grateful for mine and also for the T & C’s I do it under, none of us are safe, those days have gone but if you and yours continue then the industry is far more at risk than for what little you work for now.

An apology if this strikes a chord or upsets you but I am exercising my right to respond to your comment, you are clearly as cut-throat as your company with terms & conditions.

For me, I will still be low & slow and doing my best for fair renumeration, for fair T & C's, a reasonable pension, paid for crew meals, drinks, uniform and everthing else that comes from a reputable outfit.

If you were that good and prepared to fight for it I am sure you would be sat to my right. :E

2loose&Jox,

envy and resentment won't help you pass an interview in your home countries, let alone migrating abroad....

Jox,
Isn't it remarkable to see so many people miss the point completely and prove it at the same time.
T.

Even more so to see how much help can self appointed spotless professionals give to fellow colleagues in genuine need.
You ain't much of an example guys, no matter how big the bird you fly on or how legacy your airline is given your LoCo comments.

Tooloose,

We are clearly flying at a higher level even if we are drifting the thread.

I suspect a lot of the guys and girls at the LoCo's would happily move to join us where we are, I see them most days when I get to work.

There must be something that they desire that they could not receive where they came from, good luck and well done to them for moving to get what they wanted. That's a market force.

Tarjet fixated has stuck his hand in the water on another post on this very subject. For the sake of propriety, I suspect we will need to spell it out that the market we seek to maintain is that which employs Aussies, South Africans, New Zealanders and the whole of Europe who have the same right to the job we currently fill. Good on them, glad they are all with us.

Better go, have to get to work.

Low & slow :cool:

Long time watcher first time poster.

Guys and Gals why o why do these threads turn into slagging matches?

For professional people you sure act childish sometimes.

CB

chief brody. thats the best post so far and I totally agree with you..

Why someone always has to take the absolute negative out of a comment and try to make an issue of it is beyond me..

this post started out with people wanting to look for jobs because of possible lay-off's, and it turned into personal attack... WTF?? :mad:

With Gratitude
 

Thanks for all the leads.....they are appreciated. I do not take offense to any of these posts. I truly wish we could reciprocate with the same opportunities. A few comments. My primary loyalty comes to providing for my family, but I would never scab, or accept employment to the detriment of others. It's not worth it and there are other opportunities. Aviation is a small world, and we look out for each other.

Most of us at Alaska Airlines who are looking at leave's of absense are senior enough to avoid furlough's. However, if we are granted leaves, the more junior (and vulnerable) pilots will remain employed. Personally, I enjoy the flying we do; my loyalty is to my route system more than the corporation. The exposure to the type of flying we do spurs me to seek these types of opportunities elsewhere.

My family has sacrificed a lot with my career choice, but they have always enjoyed travel and we have talked often of pursuing such an opportunity. There are other colleagues of mine who feel the same. We have a wide background to our 1500 pilots; military to many with bush and/or float experience. We have pilots who are from Norway, Australia, Germany, India and elsewhere. We have many who have already flown overseas and whose stories have sated my appetite to do the same.

So thanks again for all the help and if we can ever extend a welcome to anyone travelling to the West coast, or wishing to visit Alaska, please let me know. We look forward to extending the same hospitiality......no matter what you fly!


Cheers,

bburks

Bburks,

i'm 100% with you on everything, a very noble post.
You surely "fly at higher levels" , many here should learn from you.

I have quite a bit of experience flying around, contact me via PM if you need any specific info.

Regards.

BBurks,

Check your PM.

Alrighty then....We need a world wide seniority list so we can base trade!

C'mon guys, why do you turn your noses up at people who have just been furloughed? Alaska Airlines is not a LCC, they are unionized and do their part to fight for better "T's and C's". He's asking for help to feed his family and you go off on him as if he flys narrow bodies for Sir Dick.
Nice:ok:.

Tooloose & co , thanks for the proof that we are not cut from the same cloth ........priceless.
I think the point that most of our American brethren miss is that they CAN work elsewhere , but we JAA types can never work in the States when we need to / feel like . Our playing field is never level.
Who said life was fair.

WHOA, Big Fella!
 

Quote from kotakota:

"I think the point that most of our American brethren miss is that they CAN work elsewhere , but we JAA types can never work in the States when we need to / feel like . Our playing field is never level."

A leisurely surf through several aviation job sites today found these, and similar, phrases in most of the European positions offered:

"Must have JAA licence endorsed with XXX Type Rating"
"Requires a Valid Medical Certificate issued by a JAA member state"
And my personal favorite,
"Must have the right to work in Europe (please do not apply if this is not relevant to you)"

Additionally, several positions outside the EU listed at least a preference for a JAA licence. So although it would be difficult to acquire the statistics, I would hypothesize that a significant majority of expat pilots world-wide are European.

To put it succinctly, 'If y'all gonna call my Mama a Ho, y'all bettah be knowin' who YO daddy is!' :=

Joker72,
You've missed the point again.

Tooloose

He's an american - irony doesn't figure - and believe me 35+ years of flying the pond has only confirmed this - a bit like the french - nice in small numbers but not as a crowd :hmm:

level playing field?
 

After working with many expats abroad as well as several domestic us airlines I can honestly say that the pompous remarks made to this inquiry are not consistent with most professional pilots and obviously the comments of penile challenged individuals. And thats the points.:=

Okay, since a little explanation seems to be needed I will try to clarify the point I intended to make.
1. I have no problem with bburks or anybody else seeking work anywhere in the world if they need to or want to. I have worked outside my own country in the past for a number of years. Bburks did not suggest, as some claim, that he needs to do so to feed his family. He would just like a little new experience for a year or so. I have no problem with this either and I wish him well in his quest.
2. I have nothing but admiration for the long standing policy of the US pilots' unions in ensuring that "overseas" pilots do not have easy access to employment in the US. This is the only way they can protect their conditions of employment from being undermined further.
3.I have a problem with European pilots inviting others to come and take up command positions in Europe at a time when Europe has plenty of pilots being laid off from command positions, having their promotions delayed or simply seeking their first job.
4.Ask yourselves why is MOL sending a recruiting roadshow to US airlines when he is putting his own pilots on short time or laying them off. Who will gain and who will lose from this?
5.I do not need a job in the US myself as I am approaching retirement after a long and very satisfying (for me) career. My question was merely a rhetorical one, designed to show our European colleagues, who seem willing to undermine and/or sacrifice their own colleagues' careers and conditions, how the sensible US pilots deal with a European pilot seeking work in the US. The Americans reacted exactly as expected and I admire and respect them for it. They are doing no more than looking after No. 1 as well as they can. It is ,though, rather difficult to understand the howls of indignation and streams of vitriol when ensue if someone else suggests doing the same.
6.I have nothing aganst America or Americans. In fact I have bought a house there and look forward to spending some of my time there when retired.
7. And yes, I know there are some Europeans working in the US.

Tooloose-

So, in other words, you decided to hijack a thread about a US pilot inquiring about overseas opportunities(and possibly allowing a junior pilot to keep his job, at least for the time being), to make an obtuse post alluding to a parochial pissing contest between legacy and low-cost carriers in Europe.

And I missed the point?????? All you did was confuse the majority of us, and give some of the bitter and jealous an opportunity for some good old-fashioned Yank bashing.

You may have valid points, but I believe you chose the wrong target.

BTW, ALPA has had little or nothing to do with license reciprocity, and nothing to do with residency or alien work status. Nations (and their governments) are the ones practicing protectionism, and the companies who answer to those governments are just following the law.

Oh, and arem? Ironic sarcasm is a classic example of passive-aggressive behavior. And I should know, I was married to a Brit once.

TRUE irony is going to Brittania.com, doing a search on 'licence', and getting the response 'see - license' :}

If you take the time to read my original post you will see that it makes no reference whatsoever to legacy and low cost carriers in Europe or anywhere else.
US government policy in this case did not arise in a vacuum. It is a response to very strong and effective lobbying by the unions in defence of their members interests. They are perfectly right to do this.
Addressing issues actually made is usually conducive to a more productive debate than resorting to personal abuse. The amount of personal abuse used is usually inversely related to the validity of the arguments used.
I suspect that Arem's reference to irony relates to peoples' inability to see a contradiction in their own argument, in this case, "US pilots seeking work overseas good, Overseas pilots seeking work in US bad."

Inspite all this european inteligentia and only apparent wisdom I find Bburks views one step beyond.
Tooloose is citing MOL and FR forgetting it's an all european ( or Irish as he is i should say) product and that maybe be a little american spirit could help raise a little bit the overall standards....especially if compared to the so popular (and cheap) eastern european ones we see spreading lately.

"He's an american - irony doesn't figure - and believe me 35+ years of flying the pond has only confirmed this - a bit like the french - nice in small numbers but not as a crowd http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/yeees.gif"

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Well then, here is a bit of irony for you......next time you have to fight the_____(Fill in the blank: Germans,Russians ,terrorists,etc) ,
DO IT YOURSELF, ingrate.

I think if this thread stuck to the topic at hand and had all the antagonistic rhetoric deleted it would comprise of about 10 posts.

Maybe you should stay
 

You have one of the best 737 jobs in the world. why give it up? - even temporarily.

Thats a commendable attitude and I wish you well. I am about your age but with considerably less 737 experience and so I really couldn't be of much help.

If only more Pilots were like you.

respect.

bburks -

just ran into an ex-usairways pilot now flying for JET AIRWAYS - based out of SFO. B-777 or A-330. Seemed interesting if you want India-China-SFO routes.

Good Luck,
Metrojet