ryanairs management
 

Ryanair management are to try and enforce reduced working terms and conditions on its pilot workforce at a time of greatly increased profit making.This will happen in the next few weeks,despite already being told by over 85% of the pilot workforce that they will not accept further reductions.

This follows hot on the tail of a memo this week that tells ryanair pilots that they are not entitled to claim their rightfully entitled expenses from inland revenue,because fr has always been secretly claiming the said expenses without the pilots consent or knowledge and if the pilots claim them,the company will lose money.

GETS MORE BIZARRE BY THE MINUTE!!!

What would happen if you guys join up and just go on strike for a day or two.... ?

> This follows hot on the tail of a memo this week that tells ryanair pilots
> that they are not entitled to claim their rightfully entitled expenses from
> inland revenue,because fr has always been secretly claiming the said
> expenses without the pilots consent or knowledge and if the pilots claim
> them,the company will lose money.

There has to be more to it than that. Tax breakes aren't usually easily transferrable.

Irish and British tax systems are similar.
Any Irish citizen who spends around less than 90 days at home in a tax year is I believe entitled to tax exemption. I would have thought that any forms required from an employer would be a legal requirement and should be handed over.
Under the british system this can be increased increased to 180 days at home which is reviewd every four years.

The implied threat is something else.

Yet another Thread about the woes at Ryanair. :{

If it's that bad, don't just moan and winge, do something about it! :ooh:

O'Leary walks all over you because he's a hard nut and, unfortunately, you are just a load of ineffective employees who gas and gossip. :8

If the pilot workforce don't change the habits of a lifetime and harden up to O'Leary and his people, then the ineffective moaning will continue and profits will rise. :=

Hit him where it hurts in his back pocket. ;)

Implement strike action. All resign! Something exceptional and unpresidented. Something that will make him sit up and beg. :uhoh:

The immortal lines: A horse, a horse, my Kingdom for a horse! could then be revised to: A pilot, a pilot, my Ryanair for a pilot! :ok:

Just a dream I'm afraid. You haven't got the bottle. Mike O'Leary has, that's the not so subtle difference. That's why he's running an airline and making a fortune for himself in the process. The pilots are just moaning and earning him a living. Whether you like O'Leary or not I for one have never seen him moaning. Just changing things, surviving, being successful. Time he shared a bit of that with you. YOU WILL HAVE TO FIGHT HARD. Why do men and women who the public see as heros and steely-eyed knights of the sky act as cowards when it comes to their own wellbeing? It's a pilot trait I find hard to understand. :ouch:

Anyone want to bet me there'll be another Thread next year at this time entltled: 'Ryanair terms and conditions III' or maybe 'Ryanair management walk all over us again: the sequel'?!

I have always put my money where my mouth is. No grey areas, never mind the wife and child, if you don't like something don't moan, change things or leave. Something will always turn up.

O'Leary once said he foresaw the future of the low-cost air travel being dominated by one player, Ryanair. He accepted that easyJet may also survive. :*

Maybe if you take action O'Leary would eat his words and easyJet will be the survivor. The market is proven, someone will have to service it. Jobs will always be there for you. Bite the bullet. Be the heros the public imagines you to be.

Ryanair could be successful and a great place to work. The problem with the management is that it treats its workforce as suppliers, not people. Contract working for pilots can't help the situation either, because technically they are 'suppliers' not 'employees'.

Sir Richard Branson states on his website 'the people who make up Virgin Atlantic make Virgin Atlantic'.
O'Leary would state: 'the people who make up Ryanair make me!'.
easyJet seem to have changed their attitude back to how it was in the days of Stelios. Virgin extol the virtues of a happy workforce. It's all basic stuff.

Successful, not greedy. That's the difference.

SITW

Sounds like they have nothing too lose, what will change between the above two statement?

Also known as tax fraud and I think the authorities would be interested. Wouldn't be difficult to prove and I'd be amazed if RYR were really that daft.

The answer is in the hands of the pilots. If they are not prepared to do anything about it, its their own fault.

Leave, strike, whatever, but do something other than the continual moaning about conditions. If they are so bad and you think you can do better elsewhere, go there.

Will you all please not stand together for once and walk out of the place. Strike is the only answer. The courts are doing nothing for you and will not. Stop the moaning because it is time for action. Its as simple as that.

I read all of these posts about Ryanair, and how awful it is to work there.
i am sure there are issues that need addressing, but, i joined them a while ago as a direct entry captain. They paid for my 737 type rating in exchange for a two year bond. I work 5 on 3 off with few, if any changes. I work with a good, profesional bunch of people who mostly seem quite happy. I flew about 750 hours for them last year on modern, well maintained aircraft, with good load factors and i erned well over £80,000.

What is all the fuss?

The fuss is not everybody is getting that. The Dub boys and girls are getting shafted and not all the way to the bank. Most Dub based RYR FO are on stand-by all of the time and not getting sector pay just a very low basic. Captains are flying 10-11 hour days for 57 euro. Its because of people like you who come in and dont care about anybody else or the people you work with that MOL will do what he likes to bring down aviation jobs all over europe but hey who cares, right.

I understand that I am only a 6 month old training wannabe. However I do read PPRuNe daily. I cannot help but notice (as many others do) the many, many threads regarding this subject.

I do not understand why you just don't DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of just sitting here complaining.

"Sabotage is more effective than Critisism"

EpsilonVaz

Well happy
 

Ballsout . Great to hear that your happy and not moaning. what a refreshing change then all the whinging you get on here. keep it up.

top jock
You do not know me or you would not accuse me of not caring for my fellow workers plight. However, as i have said in my post. most of the people i work with seem happy with their lot. I do not work at Dub, but if i did, if i was being put upon, i would do something about it.
Get a grip!

Ballsout i have a grip and worked for this company for along time until i got out. Over the years i have met alot of guys from alot of bases and none of them are happy. Anybody who has left they i still meet or bump into on my travels are so happy they have left. So many people would not be leaving if it was such a nice place to work. If you do not feel that way now i will give it time till you do. When something goes wrong and the company are just after your blood who will you turn to then, what will you do? They dont care about you or anybody else. I do hope that nothing goes wrong for you but look at what is being said here and has been for many years by alot of very unhappy people not just the flight deck.

ryanair
 

As long retired SLF I have flown with Ryanair a few times and don't
much like them. However they are cheap, for example I have to go
southern Spain to Lindau later this year, I can fly with Ryanair to Stansted
and then to Friedrichshaven for not very much, any other way would cost
literally hundred of euro's more. I suppose the cost of operating the aircraft
is much the same for any modern low cost airline, so the real saving
must be somewhere else. Whats left apart from manpower ?
hint: when I started my career the main costs were in hardware
when I retired they were in human costs.

Its already been done. The Ryanair pilots have a deal that they think is acceptable and are currently pursuing it as actively but as organised as they can. In the meantime, the aforementioned pilots are doing a rather good jopb of flying a large number of people around Europe into challenging airports safely and efficiently.

Here, here... All the trumpet blowing on this and similar threads is not doing any good - never has, never will. Union recognition hasn't worked for years. Court action hasn't worked. The only option is to get out... It's not like there are no jobs out there. You will be replaced, but you will be happier. Ryanair is too big now to rally everyone on to one side.

Could I ask a question? A lot of the names on these threads have popped up for years, in some cases. To all of you - WHY HAVE YOU NOT LEFT, KNOWING THERE ARE BETTER JOBS OUT THERE?

Concensus is that all this is utter drivel then - what should we whinge about now? I thought we all flew cos we enjoyed it - you would never know to read these threads. I know I'll start. I rekon I have the perfect job. Involved with a well resourced company, nice aircraft, good pay, lots of time off when I need it. Do you know what though - last week the staff canteen had a broken soup kettle!! I am confused as to involve union or maybe ballot for strike action?? :rolleyes:

Strike! Stand up for your rights. You know is makes sense. Court action would take too long.

Have to agree with "Ballsout", joined a couple of years ago as a DEC and I'm more than happy with them.