I hope Vueling will pay their first officer a little more. we do a hard job and we have invested lot of money in our training. If you want keep your pilots, pay them more!!! this is not only for Vueling, but for any companies. vueling does not pay for your type rating! only for highly experienced pilots.

pilots join Vueling to fly the 320 (Airbus school?).
You can barely survive if you are single (no kids)...

I notice Vueling do a number of W's and it made me wonder what's the longest shift someone can work at Vueling??

For example BCN - BRU - VLC - BRU - BCN takes from 06h45 - 17h40.

That's an 11 hour shift!! Are there even longer shifts? What's the legal limit?

Hours
 

Charlie Roy,
11 hour days are considered to be a nice day out for pilots these days mate. And guess what they can do even more. Amazing isn't it.:ugh:

So what's the maximum number of hours for any one shift then?

flight duty time
 

charly roy,

according to jar ops regulations, crew planning is allowed to plan you for a max 12 hrs duty time (incl. check in/out), which is allowed to be exceeded by max 2 hrs.
only in extraordinary cases (not foreseeable! technical out base, i.e.) this time might be exceeded by another 2 hrs with commanders decision (i did that only once or twice in my career, but preferrably 16 hrs duty than an overnight without clothes at a scary place:bored:).
so, in fact you are allowed to be planned 12 hrs duty prior to your duty start.
i mean thats more than enough, isn´t it?!:{

rgds410

charly roy,

actually, vueling pilots want fly more hours!
can someone explain me why?

2 reasons to fly a lot at Vueling:

- Money (Basic salary is 1000EUR):}
- Flight time (to leave company):)

Spanish labor laws
 

Good morning,

I am looking for a post age 60 job in Europe. I am a current A320 Captain for a major U.S. carrier. Can anyone you advise me on the labor laws in Spain? Does Vueling and Clickair require a JAA conversion.

thanks for any information

Hello, Panther06

I tried to get your focus on your question in another thread.:)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=267937

When you go for an interview at the company they say a Capt. will get , say X money.

You spend two weeks there on an OCC, and then they put a contract in front of you with a salary X/3 (one third) because you are joining as Captain Level 6.

But they don`t tell you this trick.You are going to receive the X salary after 6 years when you reach level 1.

I thought I had a job , so I signed the contract in this terms , and start looking for a job.

After one month I left.

The first month at Vueling you are going to take home 1600 euros
Second , 3800 and third If you fly hard you are going to take home 5000.

Co.pilots....:bored: Poor guys...

Until they start to understand that the market is our side now, it`s a company to get your left seat , or 500 hours and......................................................GO AWAY

I discovered something new at Vueling:
before starting on your line training(and thereafter every 6 months), you have to pass an OPC check(operating procedures check).

if you fail or need extra sim hours, Vueling will ask you to refund hotel, simulator training (at 1000 euro/hour),etc...

it is now the pilot's wallet which set the safety level at Vueling and not the pilot competences by additional training.

Since when an airline jeopardizes the security of his passengers by blackmailing his pilots??specially when they want be called a "new generation airline"

whats the name of the spanish pilots union???I consider to join them.

dartagnan,
only few months ago U were so full of compliments for VLG, what happened, don't U like the crew food any more ??? :confused:

SEPLA, but if you need help, join Iberia, otherwise go to hell :E

I don't like their way to work...
they try to attract pilots by lying to them.

why do they lie?

Maybe to attract pilots?:)

arrrg , you have been faster than me for the answer :D :}

Dr Rumack, Did you not read all the previous posts in this thread? The process would seem to be gang bang. What is all this nonsense about jumping into the left seat of a jet? Make your bones on regional carriers,get a living wage , build your hours. When the time is right present yourself to a major carrier as an experienced professional.
Having prostituted yourself to get a 320 rating where will you go? Who will hire you on the money the job deserves when there are a raft of similar young hopefuls with more cash then sense ready to prostitute themselves at your expense?

salary:800 euro-2200 euro.

duty time over 12hours/day.:ouch:

OK
 

ET oui DARtagnan je te lavais bien dis que cetait pourav vueling

............................................................ ......................with less than 180 Cessna hours, jumping to the left seat of a major airline, ........:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Dr Rumack, No one has judged you. I stand by my last post. I too waited for 10 years flying what I could in some unpleasant parts of the world. That is how it is done. You have not done too badly however averaging 500hrs a year. I would only caution anyone who feels they can jump the line by paying to be interviewed for a job that requires one to pay for a type rating and then receive a derisory salary that you do yourself or the industry no favours.I wish you luck in your en devour but lose the chip on your shoulder to make room for your epolette.

Re: vueling interview
Hi, Dr This is just a copy of my post one year ago, things may have changed. I didnt accept theyr offer, by the way, I do think A320 type rating is still a good investment.
Boena suerte!
Yebo

I passed the technical interview on monday the 13th. Briefly:

1. Welcome briefing on the selection process
2. written technical test, about 100 questions ATPL stile, review ICAO anexes, performance, flight planning, W&B, electrics, etc.
3. Psicological profile-its a computer based questionary on line-Just be yourself,
4. Sim ride A320 fixed base-briefing by chief instructor and Vueling observer, fly a simplified SID out of barcelona and back for an ILS with flight directors, same sid for a vor raw data , go around, ils raw data, turns, climb, descent, speed change with no autothrust.
5. English language interview-its an acessment of your proficiency in inglish on a one to one interview, you will be ascked to talk about you and general subjects and retrieve information from a test read aloud.

I got the thumbs up immediatly after the Sim test, but have to wait about 1 hour for the other results.
Normaly they call you on your cell phone later in the evening for the results. The ones who pass the thecnical interview are automaticaly invited for a final interview in Barcelona Vueling headquarters with the chief pilot and HR.

Hope it will help, good luck.

Yebo

PS: They told me at CAE that recrutment drive will remain high for the comming monthshttp://www.pprune.org/forums/images/...ser_online.gif

"They told me at CAE that recrutment drive will remain high for the comming months"

:oh:certainly, view the number of unhappy pilots leaving the company!!!:oh:

Is this the Dartagnan who was always so positive about Vueling??

Since the beginning of this year more than 60 pelots has already left the company...

It speaks for itself..

One day I woke up, and realized how bad my situation was.

I wanted to believe in this "wonderful" company, but with 800 euro a month, how can you survive?

800 Euros?????

A bit of an exageration I fear.

800 euro's is the first salary during the operator conversion course, excluding per diems. The regular first year FO salary is approx. 2400 net.

Which is not a lot when you have to live in BCN or MAD.

Vueling'pilots need to create an UNION!!!

it is time to fight for your rights!

U should change your nick in Robespierre or Danton, monsieur...Why don't sopo paying Vueling for the Scarebus rating, though?

Wish U good luck

PZ :ok:

why do vueling sign and give contracts 7-8 weeks later?
Pilots at vueling sign their contract 2 weeks after starting their "training" ,then this freaking Vueling'management keep the contracts for around 2 months before to sign them!!!.
I thought contracts had to be signed the same day, with both person face to face??
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"Spain's Vueling Airlines posted a net loss of €10.8 million ($14.2 million) last year, a slight widening of the €10.6 million loss suffered in 2005 and worse than its own forecast of a €7.1 million deficit. Results were affected by new international accounting regulations, higher-than-expected publicity expenses and costs related to its IPO. Revenues more than doubled to €235.6 million as it launched service to 18 new destinations and carried 3.5 million passengers with a load factor greater than 70%. EBITDAR of €28 million soared over the €1.63 million reported in 2005. It expects to double passenger boardings to 6 million in 2007."

Vueling interview and test 2007
 

Has anyone been to the Vueling interview and test days in Barcelona recently?

Would appreciate some info about what to expect. Makes it easier to prepare. :ok:

Don`t need to prepare..They are loosing so many pilots that anyone is welcome.

Hi, I filled the application on line and after 10days I got an answer to fill another application in order to start the selection process then got no more replay. I´ve no rating on airbus

what do u think?

every month they have around 15-20 pilots coming in...this shows how good the general situation is for aviation.
(Some pilots have even disappeared during turnaround )

now they ask you to pay for your hotel accomodation(78euro/night+tax) during their "brainwashing" OCC.(cheap b***ards!!!)because the Boss says so.

Any news on Vueling? What is the starting pay for a CP?

Any info would be appreciated!

/CP

Vueling pays about 4000-4500 Euros net a month to their Vueling pilot employees.

They have lied or exaggerated to people during the interview

Depending how much you fly. No fly, very low base pay.

Contractors have a better deal at Vueling making around 7000 -8000 Euros

Pay for your own parking.

If you fly off your base you do not get paid any extra for per diems. As per diems are included in the above pay.
High tax rates in Spain.

Recently, a number of Captains (and fos) have left VLG. They are having to crew MAD flts with BCN pilots.

Think very hard before joining this outfit
 

Salary for F/O vary from as little as €1100 to an absolute maximum of €2500 per calender month. Captains €4100 to 4700 per calender month after tax, and this would be for an average 85-90 hour month. This month 12 pilots left! Last month similar number and in past 2 years turnover amounts to 85% of crew who started have left. Planes are new, the routes are good, the cabin crew work hard and are very professional and both captains and first officers have excellent CRM in most cases. If the salary was increased by 50% then most would stay, this is my personal opinion and one which many present and past pilots have of Vueling.