GMB union have just rejected the BA offer and have called a ballot to strike.

MM I suspect you have a flight crew set of tables .. I assure you the figures I gave you are correct for a humble engineer...

My apologies, I assumed that you were a pilot, I cannot comment further because I am not privy to that data.

Question,
The comapny newspaper of the 11Jan2007, shows staff will have to pick Option 1 or Option 2, is this for all staff, or are flying staff getting another Option, if flying staff are being offered another Option not open to ground staff, I think a bun fight is possible, can anybody please answer this question.
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Cheers to all...

Joetom, Pilots aren't getting another 'option' as such. Before last week, BA were proposing a 'transition period' of five years - during the transition, flight and cabin crew would have a retirement age of 60, before switching to 65 in 2012.

Under the current deal, BA scrapped the transition period; BALPA were asked how they wanted to use their share (a bit less than £10m) of the money saved by scrapping the transition, for flight crew. BALPA opted to change pensionable pay from the current 80% of basic to 95%. The cabin crew reps have been given the same offer, but have yet to decide what to do with their share.

So this isn't applicable to other staff, because other staff never had the transition arrangement in the first place. AFAIK, this change in pensionable pay aside, ALL options are available to ALL staff, for exactly the same contribution rates. Well, except for the management team, of course, whose nest is probably so full, it couldn't take any more feathering. :hmm:

From the BA NEWS.
For another 'umble engineer.
Current contribution...5.25%
Current build up.........1/56ths
Current NRA..............60
Option 1
Future NRA.............................60
Future Contribution..................8.5%
To retain build up of 1/56ths......3%
Total future contributions..........11.5%
As I said before, Poke it!!:mad:

Ah if only ground staff had "transitional arrangements":=

Just received my offer for an interview at BA.
I told them I want command and nothing else was acceptable.
They said; "WE STILL WANT TO TALK TO YOU"!.

I quess the strike is coming.:}
WOW

Please don't forget that pilots and cabin crew were originally having their NRA raised by 10 years. Hence the original transitional arrangements proposal. And yachtno1, I thought you said that it would cost you 17% to retain what you already had? Your colleague says at the top of the page it will cost 11.5%.

The cost to retain a retirement age of 55 for flight and cabin crew is high so we are in no different position to that of 'umble engineer.

I would also ask what those minded to reject the offer what more they hope to get by striking. The situation is mind blowing in its future cost and potential cost to the company. The deal which has been proposed is was the best damage limitation exercise available not something anybody is deliriously happy about. Striking now will probably lead to a reduction in what is on offer or even an imposition by the Trustees and Government Pension regulator, this was not just a fight between BA and workforce, never was.

angryblackman, what are you on about? BA do not have direct entry commands and the pilots will vote to accept this deal. Nice try though.

I bet you're a joy to fly with:yuk:

Thanks, abm, ILMAO! :D

ROTFL :} :} :}

"Thanks for the patronising stuff, Wright, it really helps the thread along....

....would you be a miffed manager, perchance?"
Nope, I'm just a 15yr old boy (I'm guessing that's going to be put against me :uhoh:), who sees different from what the pilots see. I'm not trying to patronise you, I'm just stating my point of view, the same as you are.

Overstress: I assumed it had been agreed, I didn't realise it had not, my fault.

"Yes overstress, and how much have the managers' lifestyles been eroded since 911?"
Well, they all took pay puts after 9/11, lost their company car privalages for 2 or so years and now over the next few years, 30% (I think) of the managers and 50% of the senior managers will be going after Willie Walsh announced the job cuts (although you wouldn't think it with the number of management jobs advertised in the BA news).
A genuine question, how much have the pilots lost ?


"Wrightbrothers,
I think your first name is Steve and you've got an afternoon radio programme."
Hehe, no, I'm not Steve wright.

wrightbrothers

Hmm, it checks out. A 15 yr old would be too mature, and would probably have already assimilated a sense of moral judgement and loyalty.

Totally unsuitable for BA management.

I will second that.

Not at all! But may I say you have a strange choice of surfing for a 15 year old! ;)

Pilots (and all BA staff) are all going to be losing various amounts of benefits. We're arguing about how much, that's all.

Yup MM the extra was due to the retention of 5% Cost of Living rise after drawing pension. This has now been dropped by BA hence the disparity in figures.:)

Well, I guess it's better than doing what most people my age do and hang around street corners scaring old ladies :mad:
I view it as something to learn about, because if I do the job i'm planning (aircraft engineer) this will probably affect me. But thanks for not using my age against me :)

I do understand that no matter how much or little you loose, you've lost something, and I do have a great respect for pilots, it's just I differ from your (pilot) views on this subject.

wrighbrothers

BA pensions problem
 

I note the recent rejection of the NAPS deal by the GMB.

It seems very likely that the T&G will go the same way, judging by the BASSA
position.

If AMICUS in view of the other union positions also do a U turn, only BALPA will be in agreement with the BA proposal.

It seems to me the whole thing is about to unravel and BALPA will be the only union accepting this NAPS deal.

........ and thats the worry WWW, perhaps you could supply us some fresh insight. For someone long retired apart from missing the 95% pensionable pay increase you seem very well informed:eek: :confused: