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dingduck2 2nd Nov 2005 06:00

Following your question on PB . Well AP, as I said before the musical has probably stopped now & guess whose left standing ??...
You should also be wary of a cornered beast they tend to become unpredictable...

FCOM Lover 2nd Nov 2005 07:54


The PB stooge was a naughty boy and got himself seriously reported for his troubles. The cabin attendant didn't appreciate his uninvited, unwelcome attentions (Itell you, some guys just never use their speedbreaks!) and the hotel did'nt either.
Just herd that another stoog, RMcG (767 fleet chief) did not approve flughts requested by mauritan pilots on his fleet for month of september; he did for the expats. In efect, he reinvented apartheid on Mauritius, in Air Mauritius against Mauritians... :yuk:

bjoe_1 2nd Nov 2005 09:31

BTW has any body been on the cranfield flight safety course and come out with a qualification that entitled them to request psych assessments on fellow crew who just happen to be union pres? or is that just another case of MK's unique take on rules, rules, any old rules???????:confused:

maxmotoring 2nd Nov 2005 12:48


RMcG (767 fleet chief) did not approve flughts requested by mauritan pilots on his fleet for month of september; he did for the expats. In efect, he reinvented apartheid on Mauritius, in Air Mauritius against Mauritians...
Shame, shame, shame on you R McG.

:yuk:

I hope that the new management is reading this. The truth is out there and wil one day come out... This time PB has gone that one step too far...


Hurd the musical chair has already started to find out who will take the wrap for this crap. They're desperate(management) for a face saving exit.
Fire PB! Now, that's what I call a face saving device. ANd will save money for the company too. He is responsible directly for all the mess Flight Ops is in right now, and that is starting to cost more and more!
Hey PB, leave us alone. Go and enjoy your retirement! There are so many much more competent and qualified people to do your job briliantly, and not **** it up the way you did!

glidingmike 2nd Nov 2005 14:31

Am not sure of how much mess PB has made, but take my word, it was ceratainly not without the help of JVJ! As I said, he got the boot from South African Airways. If you need info, get hold of SAALPA. They have some good goss on him...:E

As I have previsouly said, have a think abot the french pilot unions and the AF route to squeeze an thorough audit. You also code share with Air India. The Indian pilots association would be another useful route.


With ref to "Fatigue Avoidance MRU-CPT-MRU" and a 1 hour extension on teh Flight Time Limits


I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Air Mauritius is not CAP 371 compliant. We use the CAP 371 as guidelines to produce our Flight and Duty Scheme as required by the Civil Aviation Regulations 1986, Chapter 7 section 58. I wish to mention as well that we do not operate under the authority of the UK CAA and that our regulatory body is the Department of Civil Aviation of Mauritius.
Sure Mr DFO. Lets ask what the SA authorities would lthink about you playing in their airspace with that kind of approach and attitude...

Let the SA CAA ask a few questions as to the basis of this change. Enough monkey business. Give them a heads up guys. :ok:

Chief Directorate Civil Aviation Authority
The Director General:Transport
Private Bag X193
Pretoria 0001
Republic of South Africa
Phone (27 12) 309 3471
Fax (27 12) 323 7007
[email protected]

Trevor Cantor 3rd Nov 2005 14:30

So whats going on down there? The pres is still de-rostered? The best info to date has been dingduck2 hearing music and a**** slipping off the chairs but is there any broken glass and whose slitting his wrists? yet?
I think they are trying to wear they poor guy down and make this last and last and last until everyone has lost interest and they get to do whatever they want anyway.
But theres just too much of this about. First Ryannair, now some little operator in the middle of the ocean and then pretty soon the majors will be saying there's precedent. This PB must be awfully well connected if he can handle the local DCA, and anyone else he wants to.

Does anyone know him? Any more info? I thought halloween was over!

dingduck2 3rd Nov 2005 18:05

Hey guys if you think PB & JvJ are the problem you are wrong! ,well not completely... Those 2 are only nagging us because they have connections & Stooges, so if you only neutralise them the next emperor of China will only perpetuate the system. We must clean the whole Ops dept !!
The divide & rule tactic is in full swing, already patrick is feeling the heat ! We must unite now & send those Orcs back to middle earth, we'll resolve our differences later. When was the last time most of us can honestly claim they stood their ground ?? (this is for you Mario, Godspeed ! )

As for RMcG his moods swing so much he would shame a windshear !

james64 3rd Nov 2005 20:10

My, oh my! This place is more exciting than Nip Tuck and Desperate Housewives put together! More suspense than in 24!


Since the subject of JvJ has surfaced , Is there any truth in the rumour that the naughty boy owns a chain of seks shops in SA ?...
Who's JvJ anyway? May be he should try to flog some of that stuff on the in-flight duty free shop... Bet you Branson never thought of that one (yet)!:E

Rest assured that the bean counters would be delighted to see the duty free sales go up! What they gonna call it:
Air Mauritius, The Purvurt Airline

Or better:

Your Seks Mall in the Sky

:ok: :ok: :ok:

No wonder they are perverting the courese of justice with teh union president! Hold on mate, hope the SNPL is reading this and will alert the AF boys to get their :mad: into gear and come and check the books thoroughly!

Never thought that there could be SO MUCH excitement down there. Suddenly, I feel like dropping my CV in and coming to have a first hand look at those s***** myself, just for the heck of it! Always loved circus, especially the clowns :D :D :D






As for RMcG his moods swing so much he would shame a windshear !
That calls for a visit not at the psychologist, but rather at the psychiatrist... Give the guy a tablet!

Just a thought, if his mood swings so much, why don't you call him "Windvane" RMcG
:) :) :)

G Jetson 3rd Nov 2005 22:36

PB is just the tip of the iceberg, the whole management is rotten to the core with few exceptions.
Remember the dissapearing money trick a few years ago.
This is not the first time a union president has been victimised.
One of the previous AEA presidents was told in no uncertain terms that whilst he held that position he'd never get c+t approval.

Best thing to do for any pilots there is what I did....... leave, save your sanity and your professionalism for a company that deserves it.

Fuzzyduck 4th Nov 2005 07:20

My, oh my, seems the rooster has come home to roost. Well done Pramil I always new you would go too far. As for that fool RM the last larf seems to be on you MATE. What about the nine G parrot and Salim the snake. Is he still squawking. Word in the corridors of gov here in the UK is that as foreign operators the CAA is having an “unofficial look”. What these jokers don’t seem to understand is that they are flying around foreign nationals into foreign airspace. They seem to miss the point of being accountable towards the aviation industry as a whole. To the President of the union, keep the battle, you WILL win this one!!!

AP1+2 4th Nov 2005 08:13

Just a thought guys, but if the union pres is 'too stressed to fly' (BTW according the cabin crew, last seen at the beach stretched out on some fancy chair plugged into his ipod) and needs psychological assessment, what the hell about Pramil?

Now theres a REAL liability because he's always had a very nervous disposition, some might call it hysterical, and if anyone is stressed out right now its him. But he's OK to fly?????? I guess the flight safety manager must have assessed him as OK cuz that's part of his job now. Like he's qualified and all that.

Ask the cabin crew, who don't speak to Pramil but they watch his every move. Old Pramil no mates only has his stooges left but then, theyve got a lot to loose as well havent they?

ladypenelope 4th Nov 2005 13:54

Hi James64 ! you reckon I could get crew discount on those items??:E

Ap my friend you are dreaming ! don't forget Flight Safety is also run by his "stooges" ...

I agree with dingduck2 count my vote for glidingmike's plan.
Also, apart from CPT route you might be interested in having a closer look at the MEL/SYD trip Flight duty wise, I still hav a couple of things to sort out on it & will revert back after having checked my info...

MasterYoda 5th Nov 2005 16:18


Ask the cabin crew, who don't speak to Pramil but they watch his every move.
Just got some more info about Pramil: he is refered to as "Darth Bany" nowadays!

A little story from the bush telegraph:
A few months back, one of the senior cabin crew became an Emergency Proceedures Instructor. After a little while, seeing that she was loosing money by being paid peanuts and having to drop good trips and work more in the office, she decided to quit instructing after her greivances fell into death ears.
So, Darth Bany "blew the fuse" (again) and ordered to get her FIRED becuase she would not comply with the working conditions he imposed!:mad: :mad: :mad:
However, since her original contract was still valid and that her instructor "contract" was a little addendum to the original cabin crew contract, nothing could be done to her... However, the bush telegraph sent the message through the cabin crew ranks and voila! No wonder they don't speak to him... He is not appreciated, loved or even respected anymore.What goes up will eventually come down!:E :ok:

Also cabin crew bush telepgraph says that some of the rostering people were asked to take more responsibility whilst not offered any new contract or extra money, so that they can crew the flights and pull AM thru the lack of crew crisis they are facing right now. As they refused one after the other to do extra work with no extra money, Darth Bany lost his cool again!!! Came up his favourite word again "Fire him"... :yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

So, who will he try to fire next?

Hope the union president stays his ground! The cabin crew are really behind the guy! They say "He has BIIIG balls!!!"
:ok: :ok: :ok:

GE CF6 5th Nov 2005 18:24

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With a Darth Bany the DFO and his scrooges, who needs HALLOWEEN? Air Mauritius obvisouly needs no extra monsters, no extra disguises... It has it all :}

And one always remembers the special anniversaries of the departed ones even if they are not speaking 2 each other...

Obvisouly, one could not help to notice the presence of Master Yoda, Darth Bany... Guess the Union President will be Luke Skywalker then!:cool:

Ladies and Gentlemen!
Elvis has left the building!:E

Fuzzyduck 5th Nov 2005 19:13

This post has brought me back to prune. As an old bugger I have some info that may be interesting. Firstly dearest Bany was a young co on the 747. Good ol days. He was the union president, the same he is victimising today. P Pienaar was DFO and Bany wanted to be a captain. However the flight management of the day saw him as a loose cannon and were somewhat worried at giving him charge of an airliner. True to form, Bany hatched a plot. He accused the government of the day of issuing Mauritian passports to expats. He was on the watch list from the NIU. I can tell you that I personally flew with this man and he never impressed me. Very average. But he played the race card and won. On the evidence of the day it seems like old man Pi was correct. However the political acumen of the man is impressive, if only he flew that well!
On that subject Macgregor failed his initial command and his best buddy DP who was CP at the time washed his hands of his “good friend” that’s how useless the man was. He could not even enter a hold correctly. I personally flew with him and had to take control on more than one occasion. A very dear friend BC who was 767 CP walked into the office once Salim got his four bars and uttered the words “ heaven help us”. I did not know the nine G parrot however from what I hear he’s the same ol same ol. It is these people who are threatening to redefine certain crucial aspects in aviation unionism. They must be exposed for what they are and stopped at all cost.

ladypenelope 5th Nov 2005 20:03

Good on you Fuzzyduck !
it is halloween after all So all the skeletons must come out of the closet ...
I'm glad to hear God's given gift to Aviation DOES actually have a dodgy past...:E :
Since you are one of the oldtimers , what ever happened to the old bunch: Pritchard, Dyson , Pietersee ...? Any news ?
News on the jungle drums has it that the nineG parrot is aiming for JV's job . Not that it would improve things much I reckon !...

dingduck2 5th Nov 2005 20:17

Thanks Fuzzyduck !
owe you one ducky. What a relief to hear such good news on the galactic empire ! To think one of them threw the book at me yellig that I got my licence in a pack of corn flakes... wonder where they got theirs...
Can't talk too much, just came out of the cooler for being very very naughty on this forum...
just a quick tip, wonder why we all have to fill these stupid immigration forms in & out of MRU ? more next time...

May the force be with you !...

bjoe_1 5th Nov 2005 20:53

Just heard a bit more to add to the toxic stew... apparantly, just after he had Russlan desrostered, Pramil tiried to have his licence revoked! We all know he has the DCA in his pocket and negotiates with them instead of MALPA and the APA but does he REALLY think he can have a guy's licence revoked because he says so? (Well, yes sadly, he does).
The DCA and IFALP should start to worry here, he's leading them down a slippery slope and they will still have a lotta 'face' to recover long after Mr. P is gone. He will indeed get a reputatation and a legacy alright, perhaps not quite what he was after!
Another thing, Mr P is now running around saying Russlan's nuts and that he is actually the one who is the victime of a conspirancy!!! Huhhh! Like 20 years 'I'll fire you, deroster him, you will fly' makes you a victime? Sorry mate, tonight you're on your own.

MasterYoda 6th Nov 2005 03:45

Darth Bany, your time is come. Music you must face. Haunt you the past will. Crumble your Empire will. Stooges of yours in hell will burn. Respect you will not ever have of your troops (unless slash your wrists or quit AM you decide)! Behind the rebels the Force is. Cause of their's is just!:ok: :ok: :ok:

Thanks Fuzzyduck for all the facts. The public now can decide who the hell those poor chaps have got to face now! I am told that the cabin crew, the pilots, the office staff want to see some drastic change in this company. I hope that the new management will realise that "God's gift" to aviation is one very sick (in the head) guy that has been jeopardizing flight safety and AM. He has single-handedly "created, encouraged and allowed to thrive a culture of bullying and intimidation" in the Operations section, and on board of aircrafts.

And now, whilst everydody is pissed off with the management, pilots are:
-intimidated to operate flights with captain's discretion
-intimidation to take aircraft despatched on MEL that captains are unhappy with
-made to fly some serious overtime and getting physically and mentally knackered
PLUS
-leave is cancelled
-flight requests not given to Mauritians
-flight deck experience is very low because of huge attrition
-in-flight relief guys are earning more money than the skippers

= perfect recipe for disaster!:( :( :(


I will not fly AM as a passengert UNTIL they sort this whole mess out. And the faster the better!


Those new blue-eyed boys running AM have no hands on experience of commercial aviation I am told.

Message to new AM Management:

Open your eyes and ears WIIIIIIDE big: ask for an urgent outside enquiry into your Operations section, because you are sitting on a mother of a problem, and everyone can hear the BOMB TIMER ticking away... Can you?

And when it will be too late, ignorance will not be an excuse! The chairman I understand is a hot shot lawyer. Hope he knows that much at least...

maxmotoring 6th Nov 2005 15:25

Jeez, Darth Bany is indeed some character!

Latest I heard:

A few years ago, when Chidambaram was the Managing Director, most directors got fed up working with him for his incompetence. They went to see the Prime Minister of the day, Jugnuth and told him they could not longer work with the fella. He told them that if they did not like it, they could p*** off.

In turn, Chidambaram decided to have a little revenge. He embarked on re-engineering the company. Hence, he decided to create 5 Chief Executive posts, and told all the directors that were already in the company that they will have to resign and reapply for the new, more powerful positions. He also said that he will head hunt abroad... There was a post called Chief Opertions Executive... Darth Bany had technically to resign to apply for this job, as the job of DFO was going to be scrapped all together. But Darth Bany refused... Somehow, he stayed as DFO with a COE on his head.On must bear in mind that besides his pilots licence, unlike a lot of his other management pilots, Darth Bany has not much in terms of accademic credentials... So getting the COE job was indeed out of his reach. He knew Chidambaram had cornered him on that one, but he managed to pull all the strings he had and stayed.

Somehow, Darth Bany ended up with not much to do and paced the corridors of his little FLight Ops Empire aimlessly days on end, feeling out of the loop and useless... Chidambaram was not able to move Darth Bany from his job as DFO. So, AIr Mauritius ended up with a FLight Ops Executive being paid big bucks, and wasting a truckload on a diminished DFO.

So, Darth Bany then orchestrated a little battle between ops and Darpoux and pulled a few strings and IOUs... Exit Darpoux, enter Johan van Jaarsveld, ex SAA VP with a bad track record with reference to treatment of pilots. ALso allegedly under investigation by the SA Scorpions (Elite anti-fraud squad) and potential owmner of a series of seks shops...

During his battles with Darpoux, and once the guy was gone, Darth Bany consolidated his power position. With JVJ, he claimed his right to run flight ops as JVJ was not a pilot... Hence, as he the power rises to his head, he f**** up the job, drops the ball many times and but manages to cover his tracks until he got caught with a pilot exodus that has become unmanageable. He tried all sorts of gimicks: getting skippers on the 340 and 767 to fly as in-flight relief, changing the way of logging flying hours for F/Os (so that bunk time would not count for log book and for Flight An Duty Time Limits), pushing people to fly over 18hours saying that it is legal ("It is legal because I am the DFO and say so"). [Hence why Mario has left MK] Of late, getting DCA to agree to impose 1 hour of Cpatain's discretion onto the crews, with total disregard to other provisions of the CAP371 level 2 extensions (see one of the previous posts)

The guy is out of control, and he is about to bring down the whole Air Mauritius with him. Indeed, ol' Piennar had a very good reason to keep the snake in teh bottle...

Meanwhile, Darth Bany has been saying that MALPA is a conspiracy of Franco-Mauritians and Muslim-Mauritians against a Hindu-Mauritian. Last time I checked, MALPA President, Russlan, was Hindu...

This guy lies, cons and will sell his own mother anyday to achieve his goal and quench his thirst for power.

The guy MUST go! Enough is enough. He thought that people will not figure things out one day? He thought that the whole world is dumb! Wrong assumption mate. Try again... But please, do yourslef, your family and everyone a f******* favour: GO AWAY! Leave us alone! You have already caused enough damage for the next 20 years!!! GO AWAY! Go and enjoy your retirement, NOW!!!! You will make SO MANY people HAPPY!


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