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Once again you ask a question about the internal decisions at EZ on a public forum.
For God's sake go to the company forum and ask the question.
Better still, ring the responsible dept at EZ and ask. - or are you just interested in mindless guesswork and headline seeking again.
For God's sake go to the company forum and ask the question.
Better still, ring the responsible dept at EZ and ask. - or are you just interested in mindless guesswork and headline seeking again.
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I take it you do not know then? I cannot access the private forum but what do easy have to hide?Do I not have a responsibility to other pilots to give them the warts and all view of life at easy?
This is a very serious matter. Our conditions are being eroded whilst easy swiss keep a la carte catering!!!
Enter the debate but do not try to give instruction
This is a very serious matter. Our conditions are being eroded whilst easy swiss keep a la carte catering!!!
Enter the debate but do not try to give instruction
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Over the last several months you have been totally obsessed with the warts!
Think about it. The decision to propose the withdrawal of crew food has been taken by............the management (or a section thereof). You are, I suppose, aware that it is the subject of some considerable debate between the PC and Ray Webster at the moment.
You presumeably know that the management have made no public statement as to their reasons.
So who exactly do you think is going to give a reason on PPRuNe that is anything other than guesswork?
I'd love to know the reason - but no-one on this forum is going to give me that answer!
I think it highly unikely that any of the managers are going to come out with a clear public statement on this forum.
Why can't you get access to the private forum? If you are a current member of the company you can pose questions like yours and you are going to get slightly more informed opinion than on thses pages- just register and you will get access, unless there's some other reason you can't use it!!
Failing that you can use the company BB on the Intranet.
I agree with Flanker - join Balpa and make a difference.
Over the last several months you have been totally obsessed with the warts!
Think about it. The decision to propose the withdrawal of crew food has been taken by............the management (or a section thereof). You are, I suppose, aware that it is the subject of some considerable debate between the PC and Ray Webster at the moment.
You presumeably know that the management have made no public statement as to their reasons.
So who exactly do you think is going to give a reason on PPRuNe that is anything other than guesswork?
I'd love to know the reason - but no-one on this forum is going to give me that answer!
I think it highly unikely that any of the managers are going to come out with a clear public statement on this forum.
Why can't you get access to the private forum? If you are a current member of the company you can pose questions like yours and you are going to get slightly more informed opinion than on thses pages- just register and you will get access, unless there's some other reason you can't use it!!
Failing that you can use the company BB on the Intranet.
I agree with Flanker - join Balpa and make a difference.
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do not give instruction!!!
Have you ever tried ringing easyland..."your call is being answered by a optrix"!!!
If I want to pose a question on T&Cs at easy on a public T&C forum, I will. You are acting like easy management. You mention I will get a more informed opinion on the company forum.Why is that?Are we not entitltled to opinions from other people who may have been down this route?Are you also suggesting that company pilots do not contribute to public forums?
I do not like entering into slanging matches,but I am as fed up of your pro company stance as you may be of my fight for your rights stance.If you look at my posts, I think they are all delivered fairly impartially, and only ever report factual content of life at easy. If easy have nothing to be ashamed of, I fail to see the logic of your riposte to my post.
Our conditions are being eroded, we may have to strike to protect them, we may also affect BALPA members in other companies. They have a right to know what is going on.
Have you ever tried ringing easyland..."your call is being answered by a optrix"!!!
If I want to pose a question on T&Cs at easy on a public T&C forum, I will. You are acting like easy management. You mention I will get a more informed opinion on the company forum.Why is that?Are we not entitltled to opinions from other people who may have been down this route?Are you also suggesting that company pilots do not contribute to public forums?
I do not like entering into slanging matches,but I am as fed up of your pro company stance as you may be of my fight for your rights stance.If you look at my posts, I think they are all delivered fairly impartially, and only ever report factual content of life at easy. If easy have nothing to be ashamed of, I fail to see the logic of your riposte to my post.
Our conditions are being eroded, we may have to strike to protect them, we may also affect BALPA members in other companies. They have a right to know what is going on.
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You are not fighting for my rights. As a member of Balpa, I am supporting my union in that battle - and I agree with their current stance.
You are asking a question on a forum where nobody knows he answer. Balpa have been talking to the management for months and they don't know the actual answer either.
Are you a member of Balpa? If so then you already should be well aware of the debate on this subject in recent months. You will also have direct access to the principle negotiator who has spoken to Ray Webster and others about it at almost every meeting.
If you are not a member of Balpa - don't try to suggest to me that you are fighting for EZ employees rights by posting questions on PPRuNe!
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Optrix is eye medication or CD polish isn't it?
You are not fighting for my rights. As a member of Balpa, I am supporting my union in that battle - and I agree with their current stance.
You are asking a question on a forum where nobody knows he answer. Balpa have been talking to the management for months and they don't know the actual answer either.
Are you a member of Balpa? If so then you already should be well aware of the debate on this subject in recent months. You will also have direct access to the principle negotiator who has spoken to Ray Webster and others about it at almost every meeting.
If you are not a member of Balpa - don't try to suggest to me that you are fighting for EZ employees rights by posting questions on PPRuNe!
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Optrix is eye medication or CD polish isn't it?
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It was reported in the Evening Standard on 25 Jan 2003 that Ray Webster CEO easyJet was Paid £435 000 in wages and share option of £500 000 plus £265 000 plus £530 000. Good work if you can get it. Some people might say that the savings in Crew Food costs will go towards paying for Mr Websters pay and bonuses. I couldn't possible comment.
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where did I say I was fighting for "your" rights?I am posting factual content on life at easy and you seem to be getting upset about it?
how do you know that nobody knows the answer? Are you an elected representative to speak for all ppruners?The question which was asked is WHY ARE WE LOSING OUR CREW FOOD IN THE UK WHEN EMPLOYEES IN SWITZERLAND ARE NOT?
I am not asking if anybody knows IF we are going to lose our crew food which, I agree with you, nobody knows the answer to.
I actually want easy to be the best place to work not the worst.
how do you know that nobody knows the answer? Are you an elected representative to speak for all ppruners?The question which was asked is WHY ARE WE LOSING OUR CREW FOOD IN THE UK WHEN EMPLOYEES IN SWITZERLAND ARE NOT?
I am not asking if anybody knows IF we are going to lose our crew food which, I agree with you, nobody knows the answer to.
I actually want easy to be the best place to work not the worst.
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Guys, don't get wound up over nothing!! The crew food issue is all about, some pilots, would rather have the extra cash and provide thier own food and others would like to maintain the food stats as it is! So management, i think, are just trying to make a decision to keep everybody happy.
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Actually you said it here:
.......because we are different companies even though we are in within the same group perhaps?
I don't know, I'm only guessing.
If you want to make a difference, join BALPA!
Actually you said it here:
I am as fed up of your pro company stance as you may be of my fight for your rights stance.
WHY ARE WE LOSING OUR CREW FOOD IN THE UK WHEN EMPLOYEES IN SWITZERLAND ARE NOT?
I don't know, I'm only guessing.
If you want to make a difference, join BALPA!
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I was talking third person. You do not thinking by saying fight for your rights I was talking about you? I am saying everybody should fight for their rights..individually. And yes I am a member of BALPA.
You are missing my point though. Why are we even negotiating over food in the big picture of things. The company wants to control costs by attacking OUR benefits. I can easily accept the argument to stop crew food on the ground of costs but it must also apply to the swiss.I am not going to even enter into the equation that costs could be cut elsewhere, that is not the purpose of the thread.
I cannot see any point in bickering amongst ourselves, a united front is required.
The point I am trying to make is that our swiss colleagues are not having their crew food "negotiated" so why should we? You argue that it is a different company...It is the same management .
You are missing my point though. Why are we even negotiating over food in the big picture of things. The company wants to control costs by attacking OUR benefits. I can easily accept the argument to stop crew food on the ground of costs but it must also apply to the swiss.I am not going to even enter into the equation that costs could be cut elsewhere, that is not the purpose of the thread.
I cannot see any point in bickering amongst ourselves, a united front is required.
The point I am trying to make is that our swiss colleagues are not having their crew food "negotiated" so why should we? You argue that it is a different company...It is the same management .
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As we all know the situation with the crew food has come about due to Go pilots enjoying a tax saving, and therefore a cash boost, by not having crew food, and many of these pilots wish to retain that perk. easyJet management have of course seen the financial significance to them of scrapping crew food and have therefore decided that this particular anomaly in our respective Ts+Cs is worth pushing towards the Go way of doing things.
But this is where they have quite rightly met fierce resistance from most easy pilots. Just look at the trouble this has caused.
Do you think they want to go down this road with the Swiss guys when they don't have to? Could be your answer.
But this is where they have quite rightly met fierce resistance from most easy pilots. Just look at the trouble this has caused.
Do you think they want to go down this road with the Swiss guys when they don't have to? Could be your answer.
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Here we go again.
It is not a question of being "pushed towards the Go way". Go never had food and never would.
As a result, the Tax Man decreed that 70% of our sector pay was tax free and 30% taxable, as opposed to the opposite at EZY.
EZY management have jumped on to this and found it to be an opportunity to save a few quid, by scrapping crew food. If I were an EZY bod, and my dodgy, but free grub were to disappear with no compensation, I would feel rather disgusted as they do.
What few understand seem to understand it if the Taxman changes his mind, we are screwed. No Food and No Money.
Only with an input from Above, with cast iron guarantees, can this stand any chance of becoming any kind of a deal.
It is not a question of being "pushed towards the Go way". Go never had food and never would.
As a result, the Tax Man decreed that 70% of our sector pay was tax free and 30% taxable, as opposed to the opposite at EZY.
EZY management have jumped on to this and found it to be an opportunity to save a few quid, by scrapping crew food. If I were an EZY bod, and my dodgy, but free grub were to disappear with no compensation, I would feel rather disgusted as they do.
What few understand seem to understand it if the Taxman changes his mind, we are screwed. No Food and No Money.
Only with an input from Above, with cast iron guarantees, can this stand any chance of becoming any kind of a deal.
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I do not think an AOC is given on wether or not the crew recieve food. Indeed, if food was so important to the issue of an AOC, how did easy get one when we did not get food and how can they now remove food at a whim.
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I agree with you, but the management spiel in the takeover was to adopt best practice.Lets trade up not down.
I still cannot understand how RW thinks that cutting food for UK crews is an acceptable cost cutting measure but he will not cut the same costs with easyswiss.This guy is answerable to a board of shareholders and directors and simply cannot get away with this whilst at the same time awarding himself ever more generous share options packages.
I do not think an AOC is given on wether or not the crew recieve food. Indeed, if food was so important to the issue of an AOC, how did easy get one when we did not get food and how can they now remove food at a whim.
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I agree with you, but the management spiel in the takeover was to adopt best practice.Lets trade up not down.
I still cannot understand how RW thinks that cutting food for UK crews is an acceptable cost cutting measure but he will not cut the same costs with easyswiss.This guy is answerable to a board of shareholders and directors and simply cannot get away with this whilst at the same time awarding himself ever more generous share options packages.
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Are you saying that when an AOC is issued, the CAA say" now before we grant you an AOC, let us see your salary scales, employment contracts and crew food policy"?.
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Guys:
BALPA should be able to help with the legal side of this; that is what they are therefore.
Talking to a labour lawyer on the continent, his opinion is that under EU rules management can not unilaterlally withdraw benefits that reduce T's & C's. If the benefits have been in force for a period of time, even if they are not mentioned in writing, then they are considered to be the norm. They can only be removed by mutual consent. They can not be withdrawn, whilly nilly, at the whim of management. First they would have to show just cause, in any case.
It strikes me a simple labour law matter to confirm if this is correct in UK.
BALPA should be able to help with the legal side of this; that is what they are therefore.
Talking to a labour lawyer on the continent, his opinion is that under EU rules management can not unilaterlally withdraw benefits that reduce T's & C's. If the benefits have been in force for a period of time, even if they are not mentioned in writing, then they are considered to be the norm. They can only be removed by mutual consent. They can not be withdrawn, whilly nilly, at the whim of management. First they would have to show just cause, in any case.
It strikes me a simple labour law matter to confirm if this is correct in UK.