RYR - Roster patterns

[Bendig]

RYR

Evening guys and girls

I've been out of RYR for about 6 years now so I'm a bit out of date with what they're offering.

I'm interested to know a bit more about the roster patterns they're offering nowadays. Is it still 5/4, 5/4 a week of earlies and then a week of lates?

Which are the best UK bases?

Thanks in advance.

[Bendig]

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Originally Posted by Bendig

Evening guys and girls

I've been out of RYR for about 6 years now so I'm a bit out of date with what they're offering.

I'm interested to know a bit more about the roster patterns they're offering nowadays. Is it still 5/4, 5/4 a week of earlies and then a week of lates?

Which are the best UK bases?

Thanks in advance.

[santacruz]

AFAIK 5/4 in all UK bases going forward. And in general the roster is very stable and one of the main reasons to join FR I suppose.

However you should note that it is possible for the company to change the roster patter in certain circumstances and I believe PIK was Fri-Mon ON Tue-Thu OFF during the winter due to the small size of the base. I don't know if this is possible again next winter. Maybe someone can go into more detail.

Its pretty easy information to find on the net but off the top of my head UK bases are PIK, EDI, Belfast City, NCL, MAN, Liverpool, Leeds, EMA, BHX, STN, LTN, Bristol

[santacruz]

I believe the big circles on the ryanair route map are the bases. But looks like they didn't remove GLA and haven't yet added NCL

https://www.ryanair.com/us/en/cheap-flight-destinations

[PinOnTheRight]

Originally Posted by santacruz

AFAIK 5/4 in all UK bases going forward. And in general the roster is very stable and one of the main reasons to join FR I suppose.

However you should note that it is possible for the company to change the roster patter in certain circumstances and I believe PIK was Fri-Mon ON Tue-Thu OFF during the winter due to the small size of the base. I don't know if this is possible again next winter. Maybe someone can go into more detail.

Its pretty easy information to find on the net but off the top of my head UK bases are PIK, EDI, Belfast City, NCL, MAN, Liverpool, Leeds, EMA, BHX, STN, LTN, Bristol

Belfast City BHD hasn't been a base since 2010. Belfast International BFS may be a base this summer but even then, it appears some routes are to be operated by Air Explore of Slovakia.

[santacruz]

Originally Posted by PinOnTheRight

Belfast City BHD hasn't been a base since 2010. Belfast International BFS may be a base this summer but even then, it appears some routes are to be operated by Air Explore of Slovakia.

Okay I thought Belfast CITY was opening this summer but must have been mistaken.

Any chance with things being so tight in UK they might open up Non rated DEC recruitment?

[Colonel_Klink]

Is Ryanair approaching the point where they may consider sponsoring non UK residents for a work visa?

[santacruz]

Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink

Is Ryanair approaching the point where they may consider sponsoring non UK residents for a work visa?

All just rumours but apparently a lot of resignations in UKwhile they were already struggling to crew UK flights. A lot of Irish crew being used in UK based.

It’s obvious that they are struggling more in UK just by looking at the vacancies on the website.

I’m hoping UK NTR DEC opens up next…

[AIMINGHIGH123]

The last few 6 months have gone crazy with airlines recruiting.

RYR going to struggling this summer for sure.

J2 from April paying £75k to FO. SFO £85k. Captain £130k. All basic salaries.

BA £65k basic before adding £15-£20k extras.

TUI pay is pretty good from what I hear.

DHL I think is £70k basic at least.


RYR contract is laughable.
JFO £39k. FO £50k basic.
Upgrade Captain 1st year £91500 2nd £98250 3rd £105k
Yeah RYR add extras on blah blah. Even add the pension on so they will tell you based on 800hrs blah blah. Yeah ok.
They got to have to open the wallet to slow everyone leaving.

[midnight cruiser]

At 62% marginal rate of tax for UK captains, that salary starts to plummet with the long list of things you need to fund with cash from your pocket (car parking, medicals, uniform, food, sim hotac and travel, etc, plus missing perks like ID90s etc). Grossed up at that 62%, you can knock about 4 thousand off the pre-tax pay. My point being, trying to stop crews leaving, purely by using pay hikes faces a 62%//42%FO fiscal loss, so more than anything else, people have to want to stay because they like it there, not because of a (bulked up) gross salary - And in huge numbers; they appear not to! And have they stopped dropping surprise work days into the four off from time to time; a genius gift from balpa?
Even setting all that aside, who would willingly work in the UK, in it's funk of feckless decline, non existent public services in exchange for brutal tax levels, bad weather, bad food, bad/understaffed service, post Brexit economic stagnation and inflation worse than almost any other developed nation.

[Steve1968]

Been with Ryanair for 20 years and the roster is very stable with very little out of base, very little messing about and get left alone most of the time, Min fuel where possible and if I need or see a requirement to have extra fuel I do so, ie if coming into the STN with winter storms I'd be landing with 5 tons or more to cover go rounds diversions etc and so long as you make a note why I've never been asked to explain in person. Take home is about £4600 after making £4900 in AVC pension payments.

[ToCatLady]

Originally Posted by Steve1968

Been with Ryanair for 20 years and the roster is very stable with very little out of base, very little messing about and get left alone most of the time, Min fuel where possible and if I need or see a requirement to have extra fuel I do so, ie if coming into the STN with winter storms I'd be landing with 5 tons or more to cover go rounds diversions etc and so long as you make a note why I've never been asked to explain in person. Take home is about £4600 after making £4900 in VOC pension payments.

£4,600 net after 20 years???????

[Steve1968]

Yes if you read the post, Thats after paying £4900 in AVC's which is not a bad take home pay

[Steve1968]

Originally Posted by santacruz

All just rumours but apparently a lot of resignations in UKwhile they were already struggling to crew UK flights. A lot of Irish crew being used in UK based.

It’s obvious that they are struggling more in UK just by looking at the vacancies on the website.

I’m hoping UK NTR DEC opens up next…

I doubt it at the present time, There are plenty of people leaving for the far east but how many ? nobody knows except the UK Flight ops Managers. For info I'm still getting two or three standbys a week and not getting called out, so not understaffed here at STN..

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Originally Posted by ToCatLady

£4,600 net after 20 years???????

Originally Posted by Steve1968

Yes if you read the post, Thats after paying £4900 in AVC's which is not a bad take home pay

Not that good when at BA even as FO after 20 years you would be on more.

[HotelAlpha1]

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123

The last few 6 months have gone crazy with airlines recruiting.

RYR going to struggling this summer for sure.

J2 from April paying £75k to FO. SFO £85k. Captain £130k. All basic salaries.

BA £65k basic before adding £15-£20k extras.

TUI pay is pretty good from what I hear.

DHL I think is £70k basic at least.


RYR contract is laughable.
JFO £39k. FO £50k basic.
Upgrade Captain 1st year £91500 2nd £98250 3rd £105k
Yeah RYR add extras on blah blah. Even add the pension on so they will tell you based on 800hrs blah blah. Yeah ok.
They got to have to open the wallet to slow everyone leaving.

Jet2 and TUI are no doubt the leaders in the UK in terms of basic salary and overall conditions but to say the Ryanair contract is laughable when a FO will make 70K and a skipper £135K+ is scandalous. Can’t speak much for TUI but Jet2 certainly has its negatives, especially as an FO!!!! You talk about ‘extras on blah blah’ - yes an important factor - flight pay that succeeds either the aforementioned airlines, so don’t talk about it like it’s not an important factor in what you earn. The figures I’ve stated are based on 800hrs. Ryr is an airline were you will do 800+ comfortably.

BA euroflyer you will earn 65k as fo. This INCLUDES flight pay, now this is a contract that is laughable.

Ryr you will earn good money, they may not be the leader in terms of basic and conditions but it is without doubt - the most secure job out there. The 5/4 and basing network is the top trump card. It also overs unrivalled opportunities in terms of progression to training, management and office based roles or even jobs in Seattle should you desire. Moneys there to be made should you go down some of these avenues.

People have done the maths on various threads here, you earn more long term at ryr than you do going to the likes of BA.

There’s pay rises at ryr agreed for 24’ and 25’ and I can’t see this being accelerated. They have quite a few guys leaving, especially for the Middle East but they also aren’t short in people applying.

[midnight cruiser]

I never hit 135k at Ryanair, even in the one year (out of many) that I exceeded 800 hours, in most years; nowhere near. Then take off all the many out of pocket costs that are taken care of by most other employers, and then take off otherwise standard T&C items like (increasingly essential) health cover, LOL, leave bidding (which rejects almost everything) etc .. so after all that factoring, the package looks very inferior ... and still fresh in people's minds is how they had to make do on the basic government covid furlough handouts, and nothing more; and the 10% pay cut as a"welcome back"; Fair weather friends; the bad years further reducing the long term average pay. So it comes down to how much you are willing to forego to get the 5/4 roster.

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Originally Posted by midnight cruiser

I never hit 135k at Ryanair, even in the one year (out of many) that I exceeded 800 hours, in most years; nowhere near. Then take off all the out of pocket expenses that are normally funded by the employer, and then take off standard T&C items like (increasingly essential) health cover, LOL, leave bidding (which rejects almost everything) etc and the package looks very inferior ... and still fresh in people's minds is how they had to make do on the basic government covid furlough handouts, and nothing more; and the 10% pay cut as a"welcome back"; Fair weather friends. So it comes down to how much you are willing to forego to get the 5/4 roster.

Here we are. Same here. As FO I didn’t get any of the leave I wanted. Not many did from those I have spoken to.
Every company has its negatives. BA when you’re junior it’s a bit crap. Probably working every weekend. 5 years in on SH from my previous colleagues they are getting more of the days they want off. Jumping to LHS yes you go to bottom of seniority but everyone joining BA knows this.

So you say BA Euro is poor. They need to up it for sure. Not by much. I compared my roster to my mates at LGW. Yes I had more days off but he hasn’t done any 4 sectors out of LGW. 2 sector days no more than about 10hrs duty time was his max. That was a “long” day.
Easy to swap days plus on master seniority plus staff travel, private medical, uniform, etc.

Heres RYR:
Captain Basic £105,000 1st upgrade £91,500

2nd £98,250

Allowance £6,000

Annual Leave £2,897

Sector Pay £14,714

Pension £8000

Total Annual Pay (850hrs) £136,611 after 3rd year



Schedule Block Hour Rate (SBH)£17.31



FO After 1500hrs

Basic £50,000

Allowance £5,500

Annual Leave £2,897

Sector Pay £8,662

Pension £3,000

Total Annual Pay (850hrs) £70,058



Schedule Block Hour Rate (SBH)£10.19

RYR Allowances: Loss of Licence, Health Insurance, Sim Allowance, Car Parking, Medical, Uniform/ID, Water, Phone.

So if you going to compare like for like.

Take allowances and pension off RYR as they are not included in BA.

BA LHR FO £65k basic without extras. Extras £15k say. Will be more than that.
A very close mate of mine hasn’t been below £4200 in his pocket since he started last year. £3k pay rise every year guaranteed. Negotiations on top of that. So……..
£125k basic as FO after 20 years. Plus around £15k. £140k as FO.

Plus you would have a lot of say over your roster.
Plus staff travel world wide.
ect etc.

[wiggy]

Jumping to LHS yes you go to bottom of seniority but everyone joining BA knows this.

Unless it's changed that's not quite how it works.

If you move seats you take your company seniority with you and slot into the new list i a w your number.

So it is (or was) possible to avoid going to the bottom by delaying a command but it's a tactic that carried risks.

​​​​​​​Open to correction..

[Alrosa]

Well Ryanair offer excellent training and plenty of hours ….these assets are portable