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Old 16th May 2024, 15:31
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Substitute the word pilots for any job title, and I’d say you have an interesting debate. However, employment law seems to allow “experience” or time served to be rewarded.
I’d suggest that if you don’t like the rostering and pay scales that a company uses, why join?
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Old 16th May 2024, 16:29
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why join?
Well indeed! It's a hill many/most experienced pilots are unwilling to climb (and after narrowly being too late to get on a cadet course in the early 90s, that's what I decided thereafter too). A reward for service is one thing (normal practice is for that to be capped at 5 years), but it has amazed me ever since that such a towering gradient of terms for the same job has continued to exist.
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Old 16th May 2024, 18:32
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Originally Posted by Sick
Or to reverse that argument, why should junior pilots subsidize the vastly higher salaries of senior pilots, for basically doing the same job (the former with much worse rosters)? Moreover, the pay is inadequate to meet supply/demand at the junior level, but pay could probably be greatly reduced at the senior level without significant attrition (because they're still on a good thing, compared to leaving to a job elsewhere.)
There are wide body FOs in the US making close to 500k USD. The only subsidising happening is UK pilots of all positions subsiding their employer’s profit.
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Old 16th May 2024, 20:20
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Seen/experienced the cost of living over there nowadays? Admittedly it’s still good money but if you live anywhere close to a major/good city that $500k package doesn’t begin to look anywhere near as good.

In the San Francisco Bay Area now apparently you’re not above the poverty line until you’re earning over $125k and plenty would debate whether that’s a desirable area anyway (outside of downtown it still is).
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Old 19th May 2024, 00:02
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Originally Posted by Sick
Or to reverse that argument, why should junior pilots subsidize the vastly higher salaries of senior pilots, for basically doing the same job (the former with much worse rosters)? Moreover, the pay is inadequate to meet supply/demand at the junior level, but pay could probably be greatly reduced at the senior level without significant attrition (because they're still on a good thing, compared to leaving to a job elsewhere.)
Oh dear. Stop and think. If you really believe we should all get paid the same, BA will be only too happy to make that a reality. PP1 for all, forever. Better now?
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Old 19th May 2024, 05:50
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Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder
Oh dear. Stop and think. If you really believe we should all get paid the same, BA will be only too happy to make that a reality. PP1 for all, forever. Better now?
Deliberately obtuse. The original hypothesis I responded to was positing that if there's basically a fixed pot of money for pilots, why should senior pilots "subsidize" better pay for junior pilots, (or verbatim "why should they be funding an increase in the starting salaries?") when the contrary is the more conspicuous [junior pilots subsidising senior pilots, doing essentially the same job. And frankly the selfish sense of entitlement of that statement got up my nose a bit, so it thoroughly deserves a challenge].

Purely hypothetically... If indeed, that pot is fixed, flat pay wouldn't be PP1, but PP15 or so, for all, and quality pilots would be banging the doors down to try and join (and still not many would leave, especially if highly seniority based rosters remain in force). And anyway, I'm not saying the pot is fixed or shouldn't be enlarged, or there should be a flat pay structure - but supply and demand of pilots at the top and bottom end does unequivocally demonstrate that the towering pay scale and QOL is far far too tall.

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Old 20th May 2024, 08:35
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Anyone that has done the sim assessment (A320 NTR BAEF) that might have some feedback please?

PM or here

Massively appreciate!
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Old 21st May 2024, 09:09
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At the risk of opening another can of worms regarding headset usage… I use an A20 at my current outfit, would I be allowed to use those in BA?
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Old 21st May 2024, 09:19
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Originally Posted by ClearenceClarence
At the risk of opening another can of worms regarding headset usage… I use an A20 at my current outfit, would I be allowed to use those in BA?
A reply a few pages back said the A20 are not on the approved list.
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Old 21st May 2024, 09:25
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Blimey, at this rate BA will have you paying for your own meals and hotels next.
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Old 21st May 2024, 09:30
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Holding pool

Hi guys!
Has anyone received a verbal offer for long haul in the last couple of weeks?

Thank You!
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Old 22nd May 2024, 16:42
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Hi everyone I'm sure this question has been asked a thousand times but I've had a good look through the thread and can't find the answer I'm looking for.
I've got the Eagle test booked for a few weeks time and have been told the maths questions in it are different to the skytest preparation software.
Could anyone whos done the test drop me a pm with the style of the question that is asked so I can practice.

Thanks In advance

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Old 22nd May 2024, 18:37
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Can you apply if 200ish hours short of the 1500? To have the 1500 in time for the assessment
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Old 22nd May 2024, 20:14
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Friend of mine joined with <1500 but would gain the required difference (think it was 90) over the 3 month notice period to joining BA. That was to go DE 777
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Old 22nd May 2024, 20:33
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Originally Posted by TheAirMission
Friend of mine joined with <1500 but would gain the required difference (think it was 90) over the 3 month notice period to joining BA. That was to go DE 777
Ok great thanks

Did BA not say anything about ticking the box to state you have got the 1500?
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Old 22nd May 2024, 20:58
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Originally Posted by tecnamflyer
Ok great thanks

Did BA not say anything about ticking the box to state you have got the 1500?
I wouldn't know, sorry.
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Old 23rd May 2024, 17:36
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What am wondering is ... Do they pay anything to assist the tests? Aka flight tickets, hotel etc...? Rather cheap not doing it....
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Old 23rd May 2024, 18:48
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Originally Posted by WhatShortage
What am wondering is ... Do they pay anything to assist the tests? Aka flight tickets, hotel etc...? Rather cheap not doing it....
ha ha yeah they provide first class travel and a night in the Dorchester 😂
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Old 24th May 2024, 04:45
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I don’t think BA believe that they need to particularly encourage pilots to apply by providing hotels and flights. After all, there are enough people that will accept the relatively poor T&C’s on offer, and them complain about them once they have joined. Who knows, they will probably pay for their own headsets and uniforms too.
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Old 24th May 2024, 05:42
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ha ha yeah they provide first class travel and a night in the Dorchester 😂
That's funny, proly pilots like you makes the industry force us pay for our travel, accommodation etc just to go for their interview which +50% don't pass. Even acmi companies are paying for that. Not to mention the big ones like Qatar, Emirates, etihad etc which they pay for everything. Shame on you.
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