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Old 21st Jul 2022, 19:55
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Originally Posted by Alrosa View Post
Email from recruitment sent today to all previous applicants still in the system and caught up mid-assessment.
I didn't receive anything, although it looked like my account lapsed while swimming...

Was this just for guys going through the assessments or for people who passed and were swimming in the pool as well?

I will still be chucking another application in but would love a touch more clarity and would prefer not to bother Lucy and recruitment team for nothing if info has already come out...
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 20:00
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Originally Posted by Potatos_69 View Post
I didn't receive anything, although it looked like my account lapsed while swimming...

Was this just for guys going through the assessments or for people who passed and were swimming in the pool as well?

I will still be chucking another application in but would love a touch more clarity and would prefer not to bother Lucy and recruitment team for nothing if info has already come out...
The email I saw was aimed at those caught up mid-assessment i.e. at stages 1, 2 or 3 rather than those who had passed the entire process.

I understand you don’t want to bother recruitment, but at the end of the day there is now a live campaign underway, so they should be expecting queries, and able to get back to you.


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Old 21st Jul 2022, 20:12
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Originally Posted by maxpeck View Post
What is a ZFT qualifying aircraft? Is it only for TR pilots. I've got 6000 737 time.

Thanks
Youll be fine.

could be wrong (don't have manuals to hand) but it's a CS-25 aircraft, 10t MTOW or 19 seats or more.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 20:15
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
The advantage potentially of accepting Euroflyer could be an earlier start date. Seniority being everything, take the first available offer was the old advice. That’s tempered by financial circumstances at LGW and the potential of a type change if the 737 rumours are true leading to a 6 year freeze just to move to Heathrow short haul if you so wish rather than the old-fashioned ability to move bases after a year.
737's are not going to Gatwick. They're linked to the Europa acquisition.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 20:30
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Originally Posted by thetimesreader84 View Post
Youll be fine.

could be wrong (don't have manuals to hand) but it's a CS-25 aircraft, 10t MTOW or 19 seats or more.
Thanks very much! Tried to find it online but didn't have much luck.
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 20:31
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
The advantage potentially of accepting Euroflyer could be an earlier start date. Seniority being everything, take the first available offer was the old advice. That’s tempered by financial circumstances at LGW and the potential of a type change if the 737 rumours are true leading to a 6 year freeze just to move to Heathrow short haul if you so wish rather than the old-fashioned ability to move bases after a year.
This is my current issue. EF is sadly a fairly decent paycut for me. I would take mainline in an instant, but another paycut while still trying to recover from covid financially messing us around is a hard pill to swallow at this stage...
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Old 21st Jul 2022, 21:38
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Originally Posted by BAreject View Post
737's are not going to Gatwick. They're linked to the Europa acquisition.
Do you have a source for that? I have no inside information, just adding up the state of the GATs and MIDs pre-COVID let alone after 2 years parked plus the pre-COVID plans for 737 MAX that were relatively well advanced, including agreeing a cabin spec with Boeing.

If I were trying to make money with a new startup, flying 5 hour sectors in 20 year old jets wouldn’t be how I’d like to do it.
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 10:30
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Are you supposed to apply to both the EF and mainline openings or apply for your preferred option only?
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 10:49
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I could only apply for one. Didn't let me do both so I assume you go with your preference.
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 11:17
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Originally Posted by maxpeck View Post
I could only apply for one. Didn't let me do both so I assume you go with your preference.
Having said that, those that apply for mainline/LHR have the option of ticking a box to indicate they’d be open to an offer for EF!
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 14:28
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All vacancies will be on SH. LH will be heavily oversubscribed by internal bidders.
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 14:42
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Salary figures given for Gatwick are accurate, but any LHR figure is likely to be affected by the current delta deduction of circa 7.5% to basic salary for the foreseeable. This applies to all LHR pilots.
As things currently stand, this salary “Delta” is to remain in place until 2028. Caveat emptor.
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 16:46
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Originally Posted by Chief Willy View Post
All vacancies will be on SH. LH will be heavily oversubscribed by internal bidders.
BA have often recruited straight onto LH. it’s annoying if you’re currently an internal bidder but there’s nothing in BLR or the MOA to prevent it.
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 16:47
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Originally Posted by Tay Cough View Post
As things currently stand, this salary “Delta” is to remain in place until 2028. Caveat emptor.
not correct. It’s much much longer than that. The 2028 was the rejected “deal”. Now it’s tens of years rather than 6.
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 17:19
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BA have often recruited straight onto LH. it’s annoying if you’re currently an internal bidder but there’s nothing in BLR or the MOA to prevent it.
I am well aware of that. But this year all external vacancies are planned to A320. Nearly the entire P32L list is free to bid, and 80% of them want to go longhaul.
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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Chief Willy View Post
I am well aware of that. But this year all external vacancies are planned to A320. Nearly the entire P32L list is free to bid, and 80% of them want to go longhaul.
The other 20% want to go to Jet2!
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 05:44
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Personally the recruiting manager has form on recruiting directly into LH as no one wants to join BA SH as it is such an awful lifestyle. The manager ignores agreements and just seems to do what he wants. This is obviously all done with the acceptance of BA senior managers.

life in BA is pretty dire at the moment. Rostering is a nightmare. Everyone seems to be on endless reserves. No one answers the phones or responds to the ridiculous Pilot Comms Portal. But we do get some patronising emails from our so called managers claiming they know how tough it is.

If you do join get onto the 787/350 as these are the golden high efficiency fleets and if you are lucky you’ll get given a course 6 months down the line while others in the company are kicked out!! There’s is recession coming!!)

Honestly BA it just a brutal awful company. Why anyone would join is beyond me.
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 07:42
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Honestly BA it just a brutal awful company. Why anyone would join is beyond me.
Perhaps it’s because it’s sounds so much more exotic when telling everyone (frequently without being asked) at the local pub / golf club etc that you are a Nigel / Nigella 😎😜

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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 08:11
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Just to reinforce the above posts…

As things stand, anyone joining right now is signing up to years of open-ended and variable pay cuts. Even if you can find our current pay scales (and good luck with that, because I can’t) they are meaningless: the ‘Delta’ that BA imposed during Covid - ‘negotiating’ with a gun held to BALPA’s head - means we are still paying for the privilege of having our industrial agreements upheld. Nobody knows for how long and how much, and despite endless and meaningless soothing messages from management, there’s no sign of it changing. Be sure to ask them about Delta at your interview.

I’ve worked for several airlines and some other big companies (much bigger than BA) before getting into aviation. The management culture here is truly toxic, and worse than anywhere I’ve ever experienced.

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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 08:58
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I am glad the above posters are sharing the truth to any potential joiners from within the airline. I said much the same in the ACMI thread and got lambasted as a Fanboy of Yorkshire Airlines but the reality is you would have to be nuts to leave a decent airline job to go to BA these days. TP guys will go obviously if given the chance as its a step up but who the hell would volunteer for SH BA on those payscales and live anywhere near London for the next 6 years or whatever, you'd really have to be short on options, and sense
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