Brexit the Enabler? Forgive my ignorance ..
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Brexit the Enabler? Forgive my ignorance ..
Genuine question to those pilots who voted for Brexit. Do you feel in any way advantaged by it?
Personally I have been unemployed since C19. Yes C19 was the cause for losing my job, but had my UK passport been an EU passport I am sure beyond any reasonable doubt I would have resecured employment since. i have been auto rejected now from the running for 7 positions, 2 of which I literally had a shoe in the door until they seemed to cop my passport was not EU. Of the few UK carriers who have opened recruitment i have not even had a reply to my CV from them.
Amongst all this I do recall many pilots valiantly declaring Brexit to be the best thing that could possibly happen to British pilots. Forgive me for being so silly, but I'd be grateful if you could point out what benefits we are reaping from excluding ourselves from the continent's job market? Thank you
Personally I have been unemployed since C19. Yes C19 was the cause for losing my job, but had my UK passport been an EU passport I am sure beyond any reasonable doubt I would have resecured employment since. i have been auto rejected now from the running for 7 positions, 2 of which I literally had a shoe in the door until they seemed to cop my passport was not EU. Of the few UK carriers who have opened recruitment i have not even had a reply to my CV from them.
Amongst all this I do recall many pilots valiantly declaring Brexit to be the best thing that could possibly happen to British pilots. Forgive me for being so silly, but I'd be grateful if you could point out what benefits we are reaping from excluding ourselves from the continent's job market? Thank you
We’ve regained our sovereignty of course, so soaring inflation, shortage of skilled labour, loss of the right to travel or work in Europe, overcrowded food banks, huge queues at channel ports, shortage of truck drivers and of course pilot unemployment is irrelevant, obviously.
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We have regained our sovereignty, you're correct. Which means for the first time In what, 30 years? Our elected masters can't shrug their shoulders and say "well, we'd love to do something, but the EU are stopping us, innit?"
Don't let them forget it.
Don't let them forget it.
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I am european from Italy, and i worked for 3 years in a company back in the UK.
Best 3 years of my pilot life i have to say.
Most of the senior colleagues were brexiteers, while the young ones were remainers.
Well, you know how the story went.
Now, sadly, both the senior (but not so to retire) and the young ones are still unemployed as far as i know.
That was a nonsense at all.
And now i can get an UK CAA license back too.
I hope someone will fix this mess, one day.
Best 3 years of my pilot life i have to say.
Most of the senior colleagues were brexiteers, while the young ones were remainers.
Well, you know how the story went.
Now, sadly, both the senior (but not so to retire) and the young ones are still unemployed as far as i know.
That was a nonsense at all.
And now i can get an UK CAA license back too.
I hope someone will fix this mess, one day.
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Yes indeed it’s been a massive mistake.
For pilots it’s been brutal. I now have EASA and have a parent who was born in EU land so am in the process of getting dual citizenship.
I count myself very lucky. For those without this opportunity options are out there but yes it limits you in an already very competitive market.
Sad to say I honestly hope the whole UK system now crumbles. I still have a Brexiteer friend who just denies everything blaming COVID on the whole lot.
For pilots it’s been brutal. I now have EASA and have a parent who was born in EU land so am in the process of getting dual citizenship.
I count myself very lucky. For those without this opportunity options are out there but yes it limits you in an already very competitive market.
Sad to say I honestly hope the whole UK system now crumbles. I still have a Brexiteer friend who just denies everything blaming COVID on the whole lot.
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In the same boat, not at all helped by the pathetic stance of the UK government.
We now have British and European airlines, operating from UK airports and only hiring crew with EASA licences, the CAA have made the EASA to UK fairly straightforward, unfortunately the opposite can not be said.
It is my hope that when the 2 year grace period comes to an end there will be a shortage of experienced UK licensed crew however this is a hope and Im not sure how realistic it is, time will tell.
I honestly can't think of another group of workers that have been hit quite as hard as pilots and engineers over the last couple of years, add into this the continuous degradation of T&C's and all in all its a depressing state off affairs.
One can only hope that the sausage factories of Oxford and CTC are seeing a real reduction in guys and girls willing to risk 120k+ on this 'career', I think only when the feed of cadets dries up will the guys who have the experience be in with a chance of getting back to some form of decent renumeration, until then we're pretty much foo bar'd.
We now have British and European airlines, operating from UK airports and only hiring crew with EASA licences, the CAA have made the EASA to UK fairly straightforward, unfortunately the opposite can not be said.
It is my hope that when the 2 year grace period comes to an end there will be a shortage of experienced UK licensed crew however this is a hope and Im not sure how realistic it is, time will tell.
I honestly can't think of another group of workers that have been hit quite as hard as pilots and engineers over the last couple of years, add into this the continuous degradation of T&C's and all in all its a depressing state off affairs.
One can only hope that the sausage factories of Oxford and CTC are seeing a real reduction in guys and girls willing to risk 120k+ on this 'career', I think only when the feed of cadets dries up will the guys who have the experience be in with a chance of getting back to some form of decent renumeration, until then we're pretty much foo bar'd.
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
Sad to say I honestly hope the whole UK system now crumbles.
However Brexit has happened, and wishing the system to crumble will only harm me and my colleagues further. I wish the vote had gone the other way, but it didn't, and now I have to hope that I was wrong and this leaves us in a stronger position going forward. To want to be right will only be cutting my nose off to spite my face.
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Thinking forward to how this plays out:
Once CAA pulls the rug on easy EASA to UK transfers at the end of the year, even if EU pilots can technically work in the UK were pilot to be added to the shortage occupation list, they would still need to surmount the bureaucratic obstacles raised by one of the least pilot friendly authorities.
If this leads to UK pilots commanding better terms and thus becoming more costly than on the continent, then operations will be offshored to EU bases or subsidiaries, eg Iberia Express not BA, or ACMI.
So my hunch is, some medium term rebalancing, but outlook fundamentally unchanged. The only winners are the faceless CAA bureaucrats.
Once CAA pulls the rug on easy EASA to UK transfers at the end of the year, even if EU pilots can technically work in the UK were pilot to be added to the shortage occupation list, they would still need to surmount the bureaucratic obstacles raised by one of the least pilot friendly authorities.
If this leads to UK pilots commanding better terms and thus becoming more costly than on the continent, then operations will be offshored to EU bases or subsidiaries, eg Iberia Express not BA, or ACMI.
So my hunch is, some medium term rebalancing, but outlook fundamentally unchanged. The only winners are the faceless CAA bureaucrats.
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Ok as a EU national having been unemployed since Covid in April 19 my recommendation is to find something else than Brexit to blame. We have all been hit extremely hard. Actually its my believe that the demise of the professional pilots in Europe is because of EU, not Brexit. Look at lorry drivers, construction workers etc. conditions all driven down by EU and new member states desire to get rid of organized labor. Of course UK pilots should be able to work in EU and vise versa, right now You are being punished by the bikers in Brussels because they are terrified of who will try to leave next.
Originally Posted by heavydane
Of course UK pilots should be able to work in EU and vise versa, right now You are being punished by the bikers in Brussels because they are terrified of who will try to leave next.
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Originally Posted by heavydane
Actually its my believe that the demise of the professional pilots in Europe is because of EU, not Brexit. Look at lorry drivers, construction workers etc. conditions all driven down by EU and new member states desire to get rid of organized labor.
Turns out if you vote for billionaires, they don't like to see working people gain any more power, quite the opposite. Who knew?
Originally Posted by heavydane
Of course UK pilots should be able to work in EU and vise versa, right now You are being punished by the bikers in Brussels because they are terrified of who will try to leave next.
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Originally Posted by heavydane
Ok as a EU national having been unemployed since Covid in April 19 my recommendation is to find something else than Brexit to blame. We have all been hit extremely hard. Actually its my believe that the demise of the professional pilots in Europe is because of EU, not Brexit. Look at lorry drivers, construction workers etc. conditions all driven down by EU and new member states desire to get rid of organized labor. Of course UK pilots should be able to work in EU and vise versa, right now You are being punished by the bikers in Brussels because they are terrified of who will try to leave next.
A320LGW, You are absolutely right, it was blindingly obvious to all those of us who had worked on European aviation issues. The Tory ideological doctrine killed any involvement with EASA with the predictable results we see today. Why, I ask, did so many intelligent colleagues vote for Brexit?
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Hopefully salaries will go up in the UK because the market is more restricted. The EU just serves companies and governments in reducing salaries and working conditions in Western Europe.
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Originally Posted by roll_over
Hopefully salaries will go up in the UK because the market is more restricted. The EU just serves companies and governments in reducing salaries and working conditions in Western Europe.
