TUI Summer Contract

[am111]

Originally Posted by Biffsticksuperhero

due to redundancy from Virgin, BA, Ryanair or Jet2 then maybe this is a good deal to renew your rating and get some hours in the logbook for when more opportunities arise.

Doubt any of the Virgin or BA pilots have a current B737 rating so this won’t be any good to them.

And Ryanair technically didn’t make anyone redundant. They’re all dutifully waiting for the restoration of the 20% pay cut they took to help drive expansion and recruit experienced pilots save everyone’s jobs. Still don’t think they’d be tempted by this offer though.

A few ex-jet2 pilots could be tempted. Are there some ex-Norwegian pilots knocking about as well? If they want to stay relatively local, their only other option would be Ryanair. I wonder if you might make more money at TUI than at FR in the same 6 months (even when you start at -£7000).

[Alrosa]

Originally Posted by Whalejet

As far as I understand. the TUI UK pilots on a 6 month contract will be offered a full-time contract at the end.

I can't speak to TUI Belgium/Netherlands though.

That’s interesting. The job ad made it very clear the contract would end on October 31st. There wasn’t any hint of a permanent contract being offered. Can you provide any evidence of your understanding ?

[SpamCanDriver]

Originally Posted by Alrosa

That’s interesting. The job ad made it very clear the contract would end on October 31st. There wasn’t any hint of a permanent contract being offered. Can you provide any evidence of your understanding ?

Indeed

If that was the case then why a temporary contract?
Worked for Thomson fly but was one of the unlucky ones made redundant after the financial crisis.
Really sad to see its fall from grace, was a lovely place to work until then

[H44]

Worked for Thomson fly but was one of the unlucky ones made redundant after the financial crisis.

So was I, I'm back there now. I would say it is still one of the better places to work in the UK. Maybe not like in the "good old Britannia days" you hear so much about, but certainly far from the worst.

Personally I hope TUI don't manage to find sufficient interest in these fixed term contracts which will force them to employ people on proper contracts from day 1. However, I once joined an airline on a 6 month fixed FO contract with a £7k OCC cost. 2 years later I was a full time captain with them. Not saying TUI will definitely keep people on but as others have said it can be a foot in the door to better things and worst case keeps you current if you're currently unemployed.

[Superpilot]

Thomas Cook did the part time recruitment leading on to full time thing for over a decade. And I could be mistaken, but so have Monarch and Jet2? It's nothing new and for the vast majority it does lead to full time contracts. Where TUI differ is on the £7k OCC fee. That's a ridiculous amount and far beyond cost price. There's a very animated thread on LinkedIn where someone has complained about the recruitment process and OCC fee, TUI have replied saying they constantly review feedback to make improvements. If they've got any brains, they'll abandon the fee within the next few weeks as Jet2 are about to open their doors too. I say this carefully...there will be an acute (short, sharp but painful for the airlines) shortage of type rated UK license holder pilots within the next 12-18 months. UK airlines traditionally get to circumnavigate this by hiring cadets in their droves (young boys and girls who will sell their nan to fly) but these numbers have been down during the pandemic.

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Well when I asked my mate why he didn’t go to the interview despite being out of work and rated he called up asking for more details and was told “permanent was not guaranteed” and
“if permanent opens up you will have to apply again”

Thanks but no thanks was his response. He know he will get called back to his previous gig just wanted to get flying again. Virgin, BA are calling back a lot now so doubt any of those would go. RYR are hoovering up 737 peeps and cadets now. 200 plus have joined this year already maybe more.

[go-around flap 15]

As far as i'm aware, and this is 2nd hand information from a former colleague made redundant, Jet2 have recalled/offered an FO position to all the FOs made redundant 2 years ago. So I doubt any Jet2 crew would leave a permanant contract to join TUI with the vague chance of being kept on.

[YosserHughes]

I also heard (first hand) that J2 have taken back a lot of guys... when they were made redundant they were looked after as much as they could be.
Virgin have taken back a lot of guys and are calling the remaining guys form 78 pool.
BA the same.

Ryr being Ryr spin propaganda that they didn't make anyone redundant but they also didn't pay anyone and are now flying the balls off the guys whilst paying them 20% less.

I also see a shortage of rated guys approaching, compounded by a lack of 200 hr sky gods coming through Oxford which will hopefully lead to a very painful experience for those who have gone out of their way to make pilots lives an even worse during these challenging times.

[SpamCanDriver]

Originally Posted by H44

So was I, I'm back there now. I would say it is still one of the better places to work in the UK. Maybe not like in the "good old Britannia days" you hear so much about, but certainly far from the worst.

Personally I hope TUI don't manage to find sufficient interest in these fixed term contracts which will force them to employ people on proper contracts from day 1. However, I once joined an airline on a 6 month fixed FO contract with a £7k OCC cost. 2 years later I was a full time captain with them. Not saying TUI will definitely keep people on but as others have said it can be a foot in the door to better things and worst case keeps you current if you're currently unemployed.

Glad to hear it's not all bad
still have very fond memories of working there & some great layovers

[Alrosa]

Originally Posted by Whalejet

Totally wrong, we were told very clearly at the assessment, that after the 6 months, if not extended before the end, we would be in a hold pool for the next recruitment. And that we would NOT have to assess again, as we're already "in". Again, from James directly.

Fair enough - I’m sure it will suit some people. To take £7000 out of one’s salary for the OCC and then make vague statements about being extended or perhaps not won’t suit others. I hope they do manage to extend those that go for it.

[am111]

Originally Posted by Whalejet

Totally wrong, we were told very clearly at the assessment, that after the 6 months, if not extended before the end, we would be in a hold pool for the next recruitment. And that we would NOT have to assess again, as we're already "in". Again, from James directly.

That’s just a very convoluted way of saying ‘permanent not guaranteed.’ But as others have said, it will suit some, and the less pilots out of work, the better for us all.

[AIMINGHIGH123]

Originally Posted by Whalejet

Totally wrong, we were told very clearly at the assessment, that after the 6 months, if not extended before the end, we would be in a hold pool for the next recruitment. And that we would NOT have to assess again, as we're already "in". Again, from James directly.

Well I did say my mate didn’t go to the assessment. He called them up and was told what I wrote earlier.
As you said in a hold pool, possibly extended.
Nothing guaranteed. I had an interviewed booked with TUI May 2020. Obviously never happened because of COVID. I have an email that says “Your application will remain on pause until we plan to recruit again”
Just before they opened recruitment this year they sent an email that said “you have been unsuccessful”.
Didn’t even get to an interview and was in a recruitment hold pool.

With the recent events and current climate I wouldnt bank on anything. They can say what they like and back track.

If you’re TR it’s a joke.

FYI that same mate is now starting with RYR. Had interview and was offered a start date a week later. Nothing to pay up front.

[Uplinker]

Originally Posted by am111

.......A few ex-jet2 pilots could be tempted. Are there some ex-Norwegian pilots knocking about as well? If they want to stay relatively local, their only other option would be Ryanair. I wonder if you might make more money at TUI than at FR in the same 6 months (even when you start at -£7000).

It's like the TV quiz show The Chase; "High offer please?" "50 grand". "Low offer?" "minus 7 grand"......."Have a chat with your team mates......."

[Nil further]

Rather satisfying to know that a fair chunk of people who were offered this “opportunity” didn’t take it up.

in-fact I’m told that some people simply didn’t turn up on day 1.

Reaping what was sowed.

[ICEHOUSES]

What a joke this industry has become.

[YosserHughes]

Originally Posted by Whalejet

By your post history, you're very anti-airlines, and anti-aviation in general. In 2 pages I could be bothered to go back and look at, there wasn't a single positive post, only negative. I certainly hope you find what makes you happy one day. Thoughts and prayers!

Are you an employed pilot?

[YosserHughes]

Originally Posted by ICEHOUSES

What a joke this industry has become.

A very depressing truth.

[AIMINGHIGH123]

I always admired TUI but yes the £7k for summer contract stinks.

I wonder if those that didn’t start had offers from elsewhere.

A mate of mine started with Jet2 couple months back and was given very short notice (4 weeks). He said some on his course received less than 2 weeks notice.

I have noticed on many people getting jobs now so things definitely picking up.

I think TUI played the wrong hand this time.

[SpamCanDriver]

I thought the contract was a terrible offer, but think it's a bit silly to accept the job and then not turn up.

Burning bridges for no reason or reward IMO

[back to Boeing]

Originally Posted by SpamCanDriver

I thought the contract was a terrible offer, but think it's a bit silly to accept the job and then not turn up.

Burning bridges for no reason or reward IMO

I thought it was a bad offer in 2014 which is why I turned it down then. Every man and his donkey has seen an extreme experienced pilot shortage coming on the way out of Covid. Big bulge of retirements coupled with enough people leaving the industry altogether and still offering this low ball offer shows an extreme arrogance of the bean counters. I bet the pilot recruiters were banging their heads against the desk saying “please don’t make us make this offer”.

We should be in the golden era of t’s and c’s negotiations. But we’re not but that’s a whole different rant.