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Jet2 back to 100% salary

Old 19th Nov 2021, 18:49
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Have you ever been on the rock n roll? I'd be more worried about loosing my job during the worst crisis aviation has ever suffered. Only a Nigel would come up whining like a jet engine
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 20:35
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But most kept their jobs having worked a lot less than 70% of a normal roster...
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 21:07
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I have indeed suffered the dole due airline bankruptcy but that does not change my view that the workforce should accept whatever is forced upon them. It’s a circular argument and it really does depend on your viewpoint - those that have been treated well have been treated very well, those that haven’t - well they haven’t.
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 23:19
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The fact that Jet2 have came through this pandemic having only made 102 pilots redundant is remarkable.

You also have to remember the vast majority of these unfortunate pilots hadnít even flown a single line sector and are first in line to be employed again for 2022.

Unfortunately some people will only see the negatives or be concerned with themselves. In the grand scheme of things Jet2 have done a fantastic job, even more so impressive when you look at the cuts made by other airlines.
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Old 20th Nov 2021, 07:26
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Indeed so, and the pilots of one particular large competitor will be looking enviously across from their absurd 5 years of CC "negotiated" pay cuts, while still paying out of their pockets for everything under the sun; remembering the days when they had a slight edge of the two. I wonder which airline will struggle to retain and find experienced crews when the shortage hits hard?!

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Old 20th Nov 2021, 08:40
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Not quite sure who this competitor could be with that description
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Old 20th Nov 2021, 11:44
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The blue and yellow one hasn't had a CC that long, must be someone else.
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Old 20th Nov 2021, 12:03
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Jet2 are not a competitor to them. MOL has bigger fish to fry, Wizz for example.
To compare a company with 92 aircraft with Ryanair who currently have 475 aircraft and planning to have over 600 in the next few years seems rather ambitious to me. I would compare Jet2 with Tui, they are in the same market.
Jet2 are well placed to cover the Holiday market in the UK almost exclusively, what remains to be seen, is how many EASA licence holders will want to convert to a British one, the fall out from Brexit is still on going.
Of course if MOL wanted to get into the holiday charter business in the UK as he is now doing in Eastern Europe with Buzz, I am sure he would not be too worried about Jet2.

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Old 20th Nov 2021, 15:51
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Eh? Nothing to do with how long they've been around. 5 years from covid pay "negotiations", so reduced pay has got a few years still to run. (Not sure exactly how long and in which countries as I don't work there any more, but that's what I'm told)
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Old 20th Nov 2021, 22:25
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Why does every Jet2 pilot or fanboy feel the need to compare themselves to other airlines? Comments like…

"Indeed so, and the pilots of one particular large competitor will be looking enviously across from their absurd 5 years of CC "negotiated" pay cuts, while still paying out of their pockets for everything under the sun"

…are embarrassing. Most normal pilots want the T&Cs for all pilots at all airlines to be improved, as they know that it’ll almost certainly have an impact on their own T&Cs at some point.

Having a complex is not a good look.

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Old 20th Nov 2021, 23:59
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Ah, so you did mean the blue and yellow airline, the City has an apposite view based on the share price, blue and yellow up, j2 down.
I agree with Vokes, airlines should compete, pilots should not, we all do the same job.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 07:51
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I don't know about you but I'm more concerned about how much I'm gonna get paid over the next 4 years than I am over how many aircraft my company has...

And even if Jet2 are not competitors in your head, and I actually agree they are not, one does mass transit and the other does package holidays (laughable that you think Ryanair could suddenly launch successful package holidays with their customer service attitude), I can guarantee the Ryanair HR department will view them as competitors when it comes to recruiting UK based pilots in the years to come.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 10:51
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Every single time. So many people notice this. Really bizzare.

Look into TUI as a worldwide brand, the aircraft it has, property, and routes and it’s completely different to Jet2.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 11:01
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Glad I made you laugh, I am sure if MOL was considering entering the Holiday Market he would no doubt start a new airline within the Ryanair umbrella, with its own crew, different uniform and branded aircraft....you know, like Buzz for example, however it is not exactly what Jet2 do, AFAIK they provide charter flights for holiday firms.
But I digress, I cannot see any airline trying to emulate what Jet 2 do, which is very similar to what Palmair did out of Bournemouth, for those of us with long memories (Good days), or even Laker Airways (Bahamas). Having been involved in two of those and flying on the third, I can assure you they all are/were very similar. It is lovely to have good customer service, a rarity in this day and age, but it costs money (Cunard is not cheap) and the bean counters won't like that.

Of course Ryanair recruit from the UK, they have UK based aircraft on the EI register, so any aspiring pilot will need a EASA license, Brexit rearing its ugly head again, I am sure if recruiting UK pilots is a problem, they will just shut the UK bases, which would be a huge loss to the UK, there would be no reason to close the Maintenance and Training down, just base the planes elsewhere, I am sure that will have been discussed.

However, it is gratifying to see Jet2 reinstating 100% pay from 1st December, this will force other companies to do the same, maybe not now, but in the coming months. it is good news for all.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 13:24
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If Ryanair were to close the U.K. bases, they wouldn’t be able to do first wave without overnighting crew and paying for Hotac is not part of the business model.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 13:39
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I was not suggesting it would be easy, only possible. I would have thought they would fly into the UK on the first wave, which would mean a re alignment of their schedule.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 13:46
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100% agree. But then if my car had a tacky, comic sans “friendly low fares” painted down the side of it then I think I’d be a little on the defensive, too! It’s so disgustingly cheap and nasty it makes my skin crawl!
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 18:57
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Then again some of the "fanboys" might but most of the pilots don't.
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