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Old 11th Nov 2021, 17:58
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2800 applicants for 300 seats.
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 18:25
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Blimey! Where did you hear that from?
Guess I was pretty optimistic applying with just a 737 TR.
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 20:25
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this figure comes from Norse, did you receive any email?
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 20:34
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No. nothing.
Assuming you did, that sounds positive and hopefully good news for you. Fingers crossed.
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 21:08
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Was a general update, anyway fingers crossed and good luck everyone...
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 09:07
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Just a couple weeks ago there was an article in Bloomberg about the big pilot shortage to come.. yeah right. 😂
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 10:32
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Considering no T&Cs were given and basically anyone with airline experience could apply, in the current circumstances a better than one in ten odds was better than I expected for all applicants. Remove those who can not tick most of the boxs of long haul experience, wide body experience, Boeing experience and will not be willing to work for the T&Cs and I suspect the odds look quite good for those left despite not having a 787 type rating.

Those with 787 or 777 experience should be in a very strong position.
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 18:11
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The same 2800 pilos are applying to all jobs. There are dozens of airlines hiring right now. Many more to come.

Virtually no new pilots have qualified in the last 2 years. In an average year 5 % of pilots retire. So we have lost 10% plus those that have moved on to other professions.

There will be a shortage, mad as that may seem right now. The re-training bottleneck is going to be pretty epic too.
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 18:33
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And are they going to charge for type rating as the previous company did?
Also, there has always been a shortage just around the corner. It has never happened.

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Old 14th Nov 2021, 06:03
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I think it is closer to 3 % (based on 40 years of flying, from 25 till 65, it would be 2.5%, but I would guess most don't last the full 40). 5% would mean people would only fly 20 years on average.
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Old 14th Nov 2021, 11:00
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I am with Calypso.

There are also thousands of old captains worldwide that either took pre-retirements with good packages (from major airlines) and won't come back or the ones that just had enough and won't come back (furloughed in middle east or asia) because they made enough cash and don't want to dislocate again into an expat life.

The training bottleneck will be in a way as we have never seen before.

All experience shows a massive and super-quick rebound of the customers as soon as routes open up, something the airline leaders have not foreseen and have not planned for.

It is not accidential that Emirates is already inviting applications from pilots who have not worked for Emirates before. I would guess they had to learn quickly that a significant part of their forloughed or fired pilots did not show any interest in returning after Emirates invited them to express interest for a return.

Training departments are usually dimensioned for a rough staff turnover in the region of 3% a year. We are talking more than tripple that.
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Old 14th Nov 2021, 13:14
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The population isn't distributed evenly across age because boomers, so reckon it's worse.

I think the crunch will hit our cabin colleagues first- London/SE has a big shortage of hospitality etc workers with T&Cs for ground jobs rising steadily.
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Old 17th Nov 2021, 08:59
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Spot on. Walk down the highstreet and every single coffee shop/restaurant/bar has a “staff wanted” poster.

It is a huge problem for Ryanair at the moment. They are trying to recruit Brits like mad for cabin crew, however they are learning the hard way no Brit wants to work for 500 a month.

They are playing the same trick they always do at Ryr of not actually telling people what they will earn before they start, as a consequence of every course of about 30 cabin crew brits, after 6 weeks at least 20 have resigned. Most never even serve notice just don’t come back. I have had delayed flights 3 times in the last month because of cabin crew just resigning on the spot and not telling anyone!

Bit off topic, but highlighting the stress in hospitality sector.
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Old 18th Nov 2021, 20:49
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I know a few Emirates guys (now ex) that won’t be going back. When they were let go they had to relocate back to their home countries. Had to get their kids started in new schools etc. They won’t uproot their families again to go back.
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 16:46
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Curious. Is this the US being protectionist?

”U.S. Rep Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), who serves as chair of the U.S. House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, in March 2021 urged the Biden administration to deny a permit for the new Norwegian carrier to enter the domestic market, as reported by Reuters“

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