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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 12:51
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Creek indeed. Morning all,

May I chip in with my 2 pence worth. From my understanding, after the 30/12/2022 (end of the 'transition period'), if an airline is to be base aircraft in the UK for both domestic and international flights (i.e. FR based out of STN/EMA/MAN etc) then those aircraft will have to be G-Reg and as such on the UK AOC which will then mean that those aircraft will be flown by pilots with a UK license.

This pretty much forces FR's hand and means we can expect a lot more reg changes and their UK AOC aircraft list to grow substantially fairly soon.
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 13:34
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Do you have a link for that? A fixed rule like that would run straight against the TCA which does allow wet lease in of EU registered and crewed aircraft (without any time limit) into UK airlines.

Apparently Lauda Air opens a base in Stansted and looks only for pilots with EASA licenses, but still the right to live and work in the UK.
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 13:37
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Hmmmm, Michael O doesn't like having his hand forced. Could he just pull his planes from the UK base and continue servicing all destinations from his EU bases?

I wouldn't consider it to be an option in my mind, but with this guy nothing would surprise me.
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 13:39
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Unfortunately your understanding is incorrect. Both EU and UK AOC holders are free to operate any UK-EU or EU-UK route with no regard to where the aircraft is actually based. Obviously UK AOCs don't have the right to operate intra-EU passenger flights, and same applies for domestic UK flights for EU AOC holders, hence why FR has a UK AOC for those flights.

Happy to be proven wrong with a reference, though.
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 18:38
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For those of you stuck on UK licenses , having worked there for years , the IAA were very good about validating FAA licences , so I don’t see why it should be any different for a UK one . From what I understand EASA will be granting ATPL passes to those who sat them under EASA rules . Not the best place to work , but definitely not the worst either .
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 21:29
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I read somewhere that only existing operators with a presence in the UK could continue doing this and for new ones it would be a different process/approval. And that would kind of explain this:

Originally Posted by Denti;
Apparently Lauda Air opens a base in Stansted and looks only for pilots with EASA licenses, but still the right to live and work in the UK.
Explain that to me, it makes no sense at all unless it's a sign of things to come and Ryanair know it.
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 22:53
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https://www.caa.co.uk/News/UK-Civil-...press-release/
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Old 24th Jul 2021, 07:02
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Have you got a source for that?
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Old 25th Jul 2021, 02:44
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Fascinating to observe the self-induced chaos and harm done by Brexit. Record numbers of refugees reaching the English coast, billions of loss in GDP, and more to come..

Still, I have no doubt a many Brexiteers will continue to fall for gullible tribalism and somehow blame the evil EU😂
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Old 25th Jul 2021, 10:39
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FlyingStone,
I did take a screenshot at the time when I viewed it on my phone. Unfortunately I cannot find now. It was not an official source, it was one of those pro-pilot, pro union sites, European in nature I believe.
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Old 25th Jul 2021, 12:47
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My limited understanding of the UK - EU Trade and Cooperation agreement is that any EU airline that met all the ownership rules and crucially had and EU country Operator Licences and an AOC in place prior to Dec 31 2020 is able to operate out of the UK (even set up a base in the UK). I suspect this was put in to allow the likes of BA to continue even though they are owned by an EU company.

An EU airline formed after 31 Dec 2020 will not be allowed to base in the UK unless they put their aircraft on the G register and have a UK AOC.
So this doesn't prevent Lauda Europe from bringing more EU registered aircraft into the UK and setting up a base as they existed prior to 2021.

I guess there would be nothing to prevent a larger airline from buying up a Maltese registered 2 Aztec AOC'd air taxi company and then expand it into the UK with a fleet of 737's requiring only EASA licenced crew. I cannot imagine any airline being that devious though.
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Old 25th Jul 2021, 21:59
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That was for establishment of a subsidiary to operate UK-non EU flights.

Aircraft can be based in the other state (with the EU being deemed as a single state for the purpose of that agreement), however why any airline would want to limit an EU-based aircraft to flying only to/from UK unless an emergency arises is beyond me.

If an EU airline that doesn't fly to UK wants to start to do so, it can. It can also base an EU-reg aircraft and crew in the UK, but can only operate from that base to EU countries. This is virtually the same provision as any EU-third country agreement, which allows (for example) Wizz to establish bases in Serbia, Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia etc utilising HA-reg aircraft, but a little more restrictive than allowing a new airline to be set up in one of these countries (Wizz Ukraine for example has operated in the past) unless the effective ownership is with UK/EU dual nationals.
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Old 26th Jul 2021, 06:45
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I just saw the job advert for that base, no idea why they do it. Apart from the (sketchy) reports from colleagues that contracts are even worse and attitudes towards flight crews (especially cabin) are even worse than in Ryanair which could suggest that it is cheaper to operate.
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Old 26th Jul 2021, 09:38
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I've worked it out. Obvious when you think about it. Regardless of Brexit, an Irish company can still employ a British Citizen or those with UK employment rights (and vice versa) without any special requirements. The quagmire here is that an Irish airline with an Irish AOC can only employ EASA license holders to service their AOC. So Brits, Irish and any Europeans with pre-settled status that have an EASA license can apply. Those Brits who gambled or whose employer allowed them to transfer their license away from the UK pre-Brexit, are in a better position right now because in addition to still having an EASA license, the UK CAA has given them a route back to get their UK license and retain their EASA one. Those that couldn't transfer due to a condition of their pre-Brexit employment or were worried they may not be employable by airlines with a UK AOC are stuffed for the foreseeable.

The process to get an EASA license if you previously had one is not documented, however, the process to get one if you have an ICAO license is documented and that's the way you need to look at this. The only difference being, we get credit for ATPL theory results. Although the process exists it's clunkly and very slow because of the way National CAA's work and answer queries. In a nutshell you will have to obtain a new initial EASA medical, an English proficiency certificate and perform another LST on a chosen type. You will have to authorise the UK CAA to verify your license and release your ATPL Theory Results to your chosen CAA. As mentioned, for Brits, no need to redo any ATPL theory (EASA guidance to member states has been issued to confirm this), but there will be plenty of documents that need to be scanned and certified including logbooks. It will cost around €2000 and take 2-3 months. In theory, every EASA member state should be able to give you an EASA license on the basis of your UK one. In practice?
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Old 26th Jul 2021, 09:42
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I applied to get my U.K. licence back after SOLI to the IAA.
Been waiting for nearly four months. IAA did all their requirements in a timely and efficient manner.
Not sure what is happening at Gatwick but they certainly are not meeting their published 10 day turnaround on licences.
Flying G REG on the validation letter but that won’t last forever.
Held a U.K. professional licence for 32 years and I know they still have all my records.
I agree that it was a gamble that has not yet paid off to SOLI and caused a few more grey hairs.
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Old 26th Jul 2021, 11:09
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I’ve been relatively lucky. My employer required all U.K. flightcrew to exchange their (then) U.K. EASA licenses via SOLI for another EU state’s EASA license last year. In April this year I applied for a U.K. Part-FCL license to sit alongside the EASA license and received the license and medical a few weeks ago.

When chasing up I was told they are not working to their standard SLAs (“service level agreement”) - or basically turnaround time - for license applications. Brexit has seen the CAA’s workload explode and of course the pandemic has only made things worse, so sadly applications are going to take time.
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Old 26th Jul 2021, 11:27
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I think you have summed it up very well Superpilot.
Overnight, the UK government created a situation where it is now easier for an EU Citizen with Settled status, or an Irish Citizen (through the CTA agreement) to apply for a job in the UK with their EASA licences than a UK Citizen with a UK licence. Even against the backdrop of thousands of UK pilots out of work, this will continue if the UK allows more non G-Reg aircraft to be based here. They have known about this for a while but either don't want to admit that their negotiating teams were useless, don't want to try to fix things because it is too difficult, or they just don't care. Wait and see what happens when they find that they cannot find enough type rated people with both the right to live and work in the UK and an EASA licence. The next move will be to try the HMG's light touch visa writing scheme to bring in EU Nationals, claiming that there weren't enough suitably qualified local applicants. Brexit, the gift that just keeps on giving.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 10:46
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Hello, a little off topic here but would be grateful if anyone could answer this question.

If a person has a CAA and EASA ATPL but a non EU/EAA passport with a right to work in the UK, is he/she still eligible to apply as an experienced pilot for Ryanair's talent pool. Any input would be appreciated, thanks
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 16:56
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If you have the right to live and work in the UK, you will be eligible for UK bases only.
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Old 12th Sep 2021, 11:14
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Thanks for the clarification.

Any idea if they will open non type rated positions, haven't flown the 737 in a while so will not be eligible for an OCC.
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