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Old 12th Sep 2021, 12:14
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Thanks for the clarification.

Any idea if they will open non type rated positions, haven't flown the 737 in a while so will not be eligible for an OCC.
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Old 12th Sep 2021, 14:56
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Would that not include the Irish Republic, if their non-EU passport is a U.K. passport?
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Old 12th Sep 2021, 21:32
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I would imagine that would be no, as to be based in Ireland would require EASA conversion until all of this nonsense gets sorted out.
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 09:19
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RYR commuting pilots.

Following on from Kingmaker’s question……do UK based RYR commuting pilots still have the right to position to EU bases for a week based from a hotel? They are not living permanently in the EU so presumably don’t need the right to live there?
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 13:18
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I believe you are allowed only to work 90 days within 180 if you are a U.K. citizen within the EU , the border police especially Germany are enforcing this with checking passport stamps, any Ryanair crew jumpseating to Europe from U.K in order to work and not being stamped in are breaking the law.
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Old 2nd Oct 2021, 16:48
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So no permanent floating crew in RYR now

Thanks. I guess these guys will have to get a permanent base now (and learn to live with the reduced salary).
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 13:27
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Just remember the restriction is not where you live but where you're from. So if you are a EU citizen living in the UK, you can commute/work in the EU & UK without any problem or restrictions.
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 17:59
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But if you are a UK citizen living in the UK then you would not be allowed to commute to am EU base right?
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Old 4th Oct 2021, 23:10
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That would depend on whether the U.K. citizen also has an EU passport and/or whether they have an existing right to live/work in the country they are commuting to/from. If either case applies , there are no restrictions so long as they have confined their commuting between the U.K. and whichever EU country or countries they have those rights in.

If the U.K. citizen has no EU passport in addition to their U.K. one, or a pre existing right to work in another EU country (or the relevant permits / paperwork) then the only EU country that they can continue to live/work/commute to or from without restriction is the Republic of Ireland.

Whichever way you look at it, it’s a horrible mess, and quite depressing - especially for those U.K. citizens that could see all the problems that might come our way if we left the EU….
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 08:45
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The UK is allowing eu citizen crew, who are resident in the eu (commuting) .. to continue to work with a UK base provided they did so prior to Brexit. (frontier permission)

Isn't the EU reciprocating the same to UK resident eu based crews? If not, and France in particular, continue to pull the UKs tail over the NI protocol/ port blockades/ undersea power cables/ threaten trade wars etc, then there is a risk the UK will pull this concession to eu crews.
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 12:03
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Your government signed a deal, just ask them...
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 12:14
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Originally Posted by RMC View Post
But if you are a UK citizen living in the UK then you would not be allowed to commute to am EU base right?
Commute, yes. Work, not sure. It is a very grey area.

Originally Posted by Sick View Post
The UK is allowing eu citizen crew, who are resident in the eu (commuting) .. to continue to work with a UK base provided they did so prior to Brexit. (frontier permission)
You don't meet the frontier permission unless you've worked in the UK prior 31st December 2020. Commuting (ie. based outside of the UK) to perform duties in the UK, AFAIK, do not count as work in the UK. Could be wrong but that is my interpretation.

EDIT: Found this, you can stay up to 7 days without a visa:

https://www.gov.uk/government/public.../aircrew-crm02
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 21:17
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It is a somewhat murky question. The TCA (negotiated and signed by the UK and the EU) allows for UK airlines to wet lease in aircraft from EU carriers, wet lease does include the aircraft and the crew to operate it (ACMI, Aircraft, Crew, Maintenance, Insurance). EU airlines cannot do the same from UK carriers under normal circumstances, there is only a provision for special circumstances which in every single case is subject to in depth review and approval from the local EU authority. The TCA, as negotiated and signed by both sides is not about a level playing field in that regard, it is deliberately written for unequal access to each others markets.
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 09:58
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I guess the proof of the pudding would be if RYR still have any UK nationals commuting to EU bases on their five day blocks?
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 11:01
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You can commute wherever you want in the globe on your days off, the issue is that your contract must be in a place where you have the legal rights to do so. I.e. UK citizens in the UK and UE citizens in UE... With exception to the ones in the pre Brexit situation.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 01:45
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Paying to sit in the RHS should eventually be challenged at the European Court of Justice (given Ryanair is based in Ireland) collectively by the unions (pity aviation unions are so weak).
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