Reciprocal agreement with the EU on the transfer of UK CAA Flight Crew Licences.
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UK has been so far unable to negotiate some sort of bespoke trade agreement with the USA - and there doesn't seem to be an optimistic outlook on that front. I doubt you'll be getting any green cards for pilots soon.
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Keep dreaming, you need a reality check. Why not only pilots and not also the other professionals that facing consequences of your stupid Government's actions? Why have Americans not done it with their Canadian or Mexican neighbours and why would they do it with someone on the other end of the Atlantic?
You need a solid reality check.
You need a solid reality check.
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Hardly, negan, and don't get me started on the EUs wrongful triggering of article 16, while hypocritically making threats about borders checks, which with their current siege strategy, only serves to stoke the violence.. Anyway, let's forget about green cards - a separate issue, and it's unlikely in the extreme. The FAA on the other hand, is a breeze for crew and operators to deal with, practical, and safe. I think the UK CAA is to small to stand alone in modern aviation, and being stuck with being licenced by a little known minnow authority, in the international arena, is very unattractive.
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Hahaha. Best of luck to ya. So far the best UK has managed is to mirror the agreements already held by the EU. And notably nothing agreed with the US, your supposed new best friend…
Exactly what improved leverage in negotiations do you achieve as a country of 502 billion pounds GDP (UK 2020), vs 13 trillion USD (EU 2020).
Extending your logic based on these statements, anybody that have been freed from the EASA shackles should be happy now that they finally have a proud sovereign UK License. So no need for this thread. Right?
Hahaha. Best of luck to ya. So far the best UK has managed is to mirror the agreements already held by the EU. And notably nothing agreed with the US, your supposed new best friend…
Exactly what improved leverage in negotiations do you achieve as a country of 502 billion pounds GDP (UK 2020), vs 13 trillion USD (EU 2020).
Extending your logic based on these statements, anybody that have been freed from the EASA shackles should be happy now that they finally have a proud sovereign UK License. So no need for this thread. Right?
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Let's assume such a deal was to go forward, can you explain me why only pilots and not other professionals like the architects, accountants, analysts, etc? It's not like we're a class of privileged brats, are we?
And they aren't short of pilots either.
You can have all the licenses you want, but you won't go far without the ability to live in the US or EU unrestricted.
Let's assume such a deal was to go forward, can you explain me why only pilots and not other professionals like the architects, accountants, analysts, etc? It's not like we're a class of privileged brats, are we?
And they aren't short of pilots either.
You can have all the licenses you want, but you won't go far without the ability to live in the US or EU unrestricted.
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I say again, nothing to do with British pilots working there. I'm talking about the aviation regulatory structure, whether it's just an rough alignment, or through to the Belgrano being like an FAA regional office. I dunno. But everything I have encountered with the FAA has been sweetness and light compared to the UK or EASA.
Green cards, Res visa, work permits. One world and very political. Licence recognition, can get very arrogant. A marriage (?) forget it. Another time, looking at the Canadian route, I was told by a Canadian Company that they would "love to hire " me but needed me to first produce a Res Visa. Canadian Embassy would not unless I had a specific job offer. I told them that the Company first needed a Res Visa and asked if both sides might entertain a discussion. Never heard from either again and just dreamed of sipping a Jack & Coke in Vancouver Heights !
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Hi,
It seems there is a variation from EASA on acceptance of ATPL exams.
I successfully completed mine in 2009.
FCL.025 (c) states the following:
Validity period(1) The successful completion of the theoretical knowledge examinations will be valid:
It seems there is a variation from EASA on acceptance of ATPL exams.
I successfully completed mine in 2009.
FCL.025 (c) states the following:
Validity period(1) The successful completion of the theoretical knowledge examinations will be valid:
(i) for the issue of a light aircraft pilot licence or a private pilot licence, for a period of 24 months;
(ii) for the issue of a commercial pilot licence, instrument rating (IR) or en route instrument rating (EIR), for a period of 36 months;
(iii) the periods in (i) and (ii) shall be counted from the day when the pilot successfully completes the theoretical knowledge examination, in accordance with (b)(2).
(2) The completion of the airline transport pilot licence (ATPL) theoretical knowledge examinations will remain valid for the issue of an ATPL for a period of 7 years from the last validity date of:(i) an IR entered in the licence; or
(ii) in the case of helicopters, a helicopter’s type rating entered in that licence.
The UK has decided that it does not want to be governed by the ECJ. The ECJ enforces the regulations as dictated by EASA.
How, if the UK has left the EU, can the ECJ enforce the law on a UK citizen when the UK does not recognise the authority of the ECJ? It can't. Hence, the situation in which we find our selves.
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Turin,
I think you are missing the point. The UK have little to do with training conducted in EASA states pre Brexit. Why cant those who conducted Integrated / Modular courses at FTE Jerez pre Brexit apply for a new EASA licence based on this training?
A UK citizen can hold an EASA licence so whats your point?
I think you are missing the point. The UK have little to do with training conducted in EASA states pre Brexit. Why cant those who conducted Integrated / Modular courses at FTE Jerez pre Brexit apply for a new EASA licence based on this training?
A UK citizen can hold an EASA licence so whats your point?
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UK issued medicals that were transferred before exit day are recognised, and now cannot be transferred because you can't transfer SOLI into an EASA State from a non-EASA state. If you have all the certificates for licence issue, all UK issued before exit day and all still valid, at the last look some Member States would still accept them (it was Austria and Denmark) because the advice from EASA not to do so was not an EU Decision, only an EASA recommendation, it had no legal force. Of course you would need a new EASA Class 1 held in the member State.
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hijack sorry, I don't. States tried to be flexible in the early days but the regulatory pressure is relentless. Always worth trying Malta I suppose, but not with much expectation
Danish have been very helpful. I should have the EASA ATPL back in my hands very shortly. Has taken more or less 9 months. 3 months to get Initial Medical appointment. Got medical issued by Austro control, within 3 weeks (had a couple of issues, old age). The started SOLI to Danish CAA. Got EASA skills test on a type I have current. SoLI took 9 weeks. Now just awaiting licence issue. Danish CAA do have quite a backlog, of UK peeps. The Danish verified my UK licence with UK CAA.
Irish gone off the rails by all accounts. Maltese helpful apparently as well.
EGGW.
Irish gone off the rails by all accounts. Maltese helpful apparently as well.
EGGW.
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Danish have been very helpful. I should have the EASA ATPL back in my hands very shortly. Has taken more or less 9 months. 3 months to get Initial Medical appointment. Got medical issued by Austro control, within 3 weeks (had a couple of issues, old age). The started SOLI to Danish CAA. Got EASA skills test on a type I have current. SoLI took 9 weeks. Now just awaiting licence issue. Danish CAA do have quite a backlog, of UK peeps. The Danish verified my UK licence with UK CAA.
Irish gone off the rails by all accounts. Maltese helpful apparently as well.
EGGW.
Irish gone off the rails by all accounts. Maltese helpful apparently as well.
EGGW.
Thanks for the insight there. I was hoping you could perhaps just add a few details to your experience if that's ok? I am currently a B737 Capt for the red yorkshire airline and looking to follow in your footsteps. Can you confirm that the process you followed was, EASA medical (Dr. Christopher J. KING does Danish CAA medicals), skills test, submit to Danish CAA? No exams? If you could highlight anything I've missed I'd really appreciate it.
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TT
EASA Initial needed, unless you hold an EASA medical currently. Suggest you e mail Danish CAA, am not sure if there was a time limit on former UK CAA EASA licence to Euroland EASA like I did. The Danish CAA do respond quickly. I didn't have to do exams.
The process took 6-7 months
Message me for more info, if you need help.
EGGW
The process took 6-7 months
Message me for more info, if you need help.
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The UK Licence is a 3rd country ICAO licence so any credit towards gaining an EASA licence based on a UK licence are under those rules. The rules are available on the EASA website but in simple terms for example to gain an EASA ATPL(H) based upon a UK ATPL(H) you are credited:
- Flight training.
- Theory exams if you are within 7 years of when you passed your EASA ATPL(H) exams or the expiry of your last PC.
- You'll still need to do an ATPL(H) check ride and your UK ATPL(H) will need have a current PC.
- Crediting of R/T licence and English language seems to differ with authorities.
Austro were very good for me, but are not even replying to a colleague, so your mileage may vary.
- Flight training.
- Theory exams if you are within 7 years of when you passed your EASA ATPL(H) exams or the expiry of your last PC.
- You'll still need to do an ATPL(H) check ride and your UK ATPL(H) will need have a current PC.
- Crediting of R/T licence and English language seems to differ with authorities.
Austro were very good for me, but are not even replying to a colleague, so your mileage may vary.
