Reciprocal agreement with the EU on the transfer of UK CAA Flight Crew Licences.
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Like I said you’ve clearly got a chip on your shoulder.
The UK has started imposing charges for EU carriers landing in the UK who haven’t yet negotiated block deals. This is but one of the many issues we all face as this political situation gets worse. If you support this madness you are in the wrong job.
The UK has started imposing charges for EU carriers landing in the UK who haven’t yet negotiated block deals. This is but one of the many issues we all face as this political situation gets worse. If you support this madness you are in the wrong job.
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What information is currently available to those EU nationals currently working for UK airlines who may be soon made redundant with UK licences and want to return to work in their homeland?
Your attitude stinks mate.
What information is currently available to those EU nationals currently working for UK airlines who may be soon made redundant with UK licences and want to return to work in their homeland?
Your attitude stinks mate.
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This questions comes up all the time.
The simple answer is: It was never clear, in the months leading to the 31 December 2020, that for a UK licence holder, a student in the middle of training, transferring the licence was the best course of action AT THAT TIME. There were many risks involved.
By November or December 2020, when it was becoming more evident that there would be no immediate recognition of UK licences, a transfer was already too late in many cases. With the UK CAA not recommending any transfer past October. And many EASA NAA rejecting applications that were initiated in the last months/weeks of 2020 because they hadn't reached them in time (this is probably illegal, but go and spend the money, time and effort to prove them wrong...).
Rumours were circulating around ATOs that a last minute deal would include a 2 year grace period. Unfortunately it turned out that this grace period was only unilateral, not bilateral.
Now we have the benefit of hindsight and everybody who doesn't clearly understand the situation is saying: YOU SHOULD HAVE SOLIED, YOU IDIOT!
It was never that clear cut a few months ago.
The simple answer is: It was never clear, in the months leading to the 31 December 2020, that for a UK licence holder, a student in the middle of training, transferring the licence was the best course of action AT THAT TIME. There were many risks involved.
By November or December 2020, when it was becoming more evident that there would be no immediate recognition of UK licences, a transfer was already too late in many cases. With the UK CAA not recommending any transfer past October. And many EASA NAA rejecting applications that were initiated in the last months/weeks of 2020 because they hadn't reached them in time (this is probably illegal, but go and spend the money, time and effort to prove them wrong...).
Rumours were circulating around ATOs that a last minute deal would include a 2 year grace period. Unfortunately it turned out that this grace period was only unilateral, not bilateral.
Now we have the benefit of hindsight and everybody who doesn't clearly understand the situation is saying: YOU SHOULD HAVE SOLIED, YOU IDIOT!
It was never that clear cut a few months ago.
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Precisely.
We are on the absolutely worst boat possible:
We are on the absolutely worst boat possible:
- EU National
- UK resident
- UK licence holder
- Not intending on staying in the UK past 2021 since I am sick of this bloody Brexit and distantiation from the EU.
- If I can't obtain an EASA licence I will be "imprisoned" in the UK against my will.
- Can't lobby EASA or EU MEPs because I don't have an EU MEP since I am a UK resident.
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But you keep not getting it. You want to keep cherry picking in pure British style.
Enjoy your blue passport now.
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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Absolutely wrong. Thousands of people SOLI'd their licenses out. Plenty of information and warnings were available. You failed to do your homework unless you were stuck with a UK operator that wouldn't allow you to SOLI your license. In this case you've got my sympathy.
My employer advised those 6 contractors, they were stubborn. Their contract was terminated.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Absolutely wrong. Thousands of people SOLI'd their licenses out. Plenty of information and warnings were available. You failed to do your homework unless you were stuck with a UK operator that wouldn't allow you to SOLI your license. In this case you've got my sympathy.
My employer advised those 6 contractors, they were stubborn. Their contract was terminated.
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Of course it is political . We need to get back to the simple concept of every nation having the right to establish a Regulatory Authority that issues it's own licence and sets it's own standards. Nations agreeing on similarity can just issue a validation. Some will not, in a ,sort of, tit for tat but understandable stance. US never gave us Brits an FAA ATR just because we had a UK ATPL. Reasoning was that we did not recognise the FAA ATR as the same standards as the UK. So, there ! Political, actually, not professionally reasonable.
Regulatory Authority Licencing Departments should be peopled by Professional or ex-professional pilots . Let the politicians take over the regulation and you have this mess.
Regulatory Authority Licencing Departments should be peopled by Professional or ex-professional pilots . Let the politicians take over the regulation and you have this mess.
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EU citizens living outside the EU still can lobby their home countries MEPs, after all they remain citizens and are, at least in the countries i know, still able to vote even if outside the EU. But that might depend on member state. Living inside the EU they can vote for MEPs either in their home country or their country of residence obviously, not in both of them.
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I'd support such agreement if it only applies to EU nationals that on the 31st Dec 2020 had/were studing for an EASA CPL.
As long as it means UK nationals can convert to EASA (which as of today has no saying in what the CAA can or can't do) I'm not signing it.
Contact Approach : YOUR cockpit?
As long as it means UK nationals can convert to EASA (which as of today has no saying in what the CAA can or can't do) I'm not signing it.
Contact Approach : YOUR cockpit?
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Short answer. Because the UK has withdrawn from EASA the oversight and enforcement of which is the ECJ which the UK has demonstrated it does not want to be ruled by. This was all fully explained ad nauseum before during and after the UK vote. No body wanted to listen, because, well, bananas, £350M to the NHS etc. we wanted sovereign rule and autonomy. We have it. The consequences are clear and obvious. I feel for sorry for all avaiation licence holders. we were lied to by government, again. (I still have my letter from my MP assuring me that the UK would be staying in EASA).
Short answer. Because the UK has withdrawn from EASA the oversight and enforcement of which is the ECJ which the UK has demonstrated it does not want to be ruled by. This was all fully explained ad nauseum before during and after the UK vote. No body wanted to listen, because, well, bananas, £350M to the NHS etc. we wanted sovereign rule and autonomy. We have it. The consequences are clear and obvious. I feel for sorry for all avaiation licence holders. we were lied to by government, again. (I still have my letter from my MP assuring me that the UK would be staying in EASA).
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Well I could go to Vegas and marry the first woman I meet then. Where's my FAA certificate waiting for me now?
And that still is not unrestricted right to live and work in Europe.
Well I could go to Vegas and marry the first woman I meet then. Where's my FAA certificate waiting for me now?
And that still is not unrestricted right to live and work in Europe.
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Stop the cherry picking.
Contact Approach
Those justifying this stupidly serve only to prove Brexiteers correct. Very sad.
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What a load of a rubbish! Our European national carriers cherry pick also, setting language barriers and sometimes national service for entry.
You clearly care only for yourself. I see this as nothing but a bad result for everyone.
HP,
I just checked and we work for the same company... initially a UK airline that thrives on being European to it’s core.
Beggars belief! You ought to know better.
What a load of a rubbish! Our European national carriers cherry pick also, setting language barriers and sometimes national service for entry.
You clearly care only for yourself. I see this as nothing but a bad result for everyone.
HP,
I just checked and we work for the same company... initially a UK airline that thrives on being European to it’s core.
Beggars belief! You ought to know better.
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I'm a Kiwi with a UK and EU passport so have the ability to work in both places. Now my once European licence is only useful in UK. It's the same bloody licence, I've done the same tests as everyone in Europe but my options are now massively restricted. It's a joke and should be fixed!
