IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs
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Was it you that told me to deliver hard facts?
The €8.1B includes the rights issue. That is hopeful by itself. Bridging loan, hopeful, at best. Buy another Airline, don't make me laugh.
The €8.1B includes the rights issue. That is hopeful by itself. Bridging loan, hopeful, at best. Buy another Airline, don't make me laugh.
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The rights issue hasn’t happened yet.
Here’s a hard fact (they are not allowed to lie or spin to the City):
"IAG continues to take action to strengthen its balance sheet and liquidity position including more than halving its operating cash costs and significantly reducing its capital spending. At the end of June liquidity stood at €8.1 billion.Based on our current capacity planning scenario, we would reach breakeven in terms of Net cash flows from operating activities during quarter 4 2020.”
The rights issue hasn’t happened yet.
Here’s a hard fact (they are not allowed to lie or spin to the City):
"IAG continues to take action to strengthen its balance sheet and liquidity position including more than halving its operating cash costs and significantly reducing its capital spending. At the end of June liquidity stood at €8.1 billion.Based on our current capacity planning scenario, we would reach breakeven in terms of Net cash flows from operating activities during quarter 4 2020.”
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I have had it with this thread as I suspect most pilots have. The Armageddon views of several current posters is truly depressing. I cannot imagine why current crew would want to impart such negativity amongst their colleagues unless they either had an ulterior motive or are just plain unpleasant.
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Yes. At the End of June. It's now August and everything looks a whole lot worse than it did in June. That's why the share price is languishing.
You're talking about a rights issue that raises nearly the total market Capitalisation of IAG. That is unrealistic. If Qatar put in that kind of money, it's shareholding would be upwards of 70%.
Yes. At the End of June. It's now August and everything looks a whole lot worse than it did in June. That's why the share price is languishing.
You're talking about a rights issue that raises nearly the total market Capitalisation of IAG. That is unrealistic. If Qatar put in that kind of money, it's shareholding would be upwards of 70%.
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BA will survive maybe as a result of the combined effort of Qatar and the British government. It will not survive in it's own right as a going concern. The Qatar money maybe a big issue to the Americans.
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I believe the rights issue is because the Board realise that it’s the cheapest way to gain some more time.
As WW has repeatedly stated the company has barely 20% revenue at the moment, with L/H to the states almost zero.
They have a willing buyer in Qatar so the issue should be funded. Someone has mentioned why Qatar? I believe it’s because they too have problems with the Saudi over flight ban, they have plenty of cash and are always looking to diversify. Look at their huge investments in the City. So this is not a normal transaction, just pragmatic for both parties.
As WW has repeatedly stated the company has barely 20% revenue at the moment, with L/H to the states almost zero.
They have a willing buyer in Qatar so the issue should be funded. Someone has mentioned why Qatar? I believe it’s because they too have problems with the Saudi over flight ban, they have plenty of cash and are always looking to diversify. Look at their huge investments in the City. So this is not a normal transaction, just pragmatic for both parties.
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Yes absolutely. Qatar will put in €800m. IAG want to raise €2.7B.
But the share price is dropping fast because institutions are selling, not because of the rights issue. If the rights issue actually went ahead the shares right now are probably worth around 90p.
Yes absolutely. Qatar will put in €800m. IAG want to raise €2.7B.
But the share price is dropping fast because institutions are selling, not because of the rights issue. If the rights issue actually went ahead the shares right now are probably worth around 90p.
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I'm an outsider looking in. But let me get this straight. Ba pilots have accepted a paycut, meanwhile Ba owner Aig is still proceeding with the acquisition of Air Europa. It looks like you guys have been hustled. And I thought that the french were the surrender artist's.
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Yes but whatever the rights and wrongs of the deal, mergers and acquisitions are normally made via lease, leverage or share offers whereas salary comes out of revenue....now read the previous posts about revenue.
Perhaps if BA had approached this whole afair in a more professional manner we would be further towards a solution now instead of banging heads. Remember, the opening salvo to this was BA announcing 12000 plus compulsory redundancies and further redundancies for everyone else with an offer of a new contract on vastly inferior pay and T & Cs.
If, just if they had got around the table first, talked about the problem and discussed solutions in an open and honest exchange as has happened during previous crisis we could have avoided all this animosity and come out of this with a bit of pride and a spirited attitude to the future. But no, what we have is a bitter, dissalusioned workforce who will either walk away next week despising their previous employer or you will have the chosen ones, equally bitter and angry but forced into accepting their lot as their is no alternative.
Remember it wasn't so long ago that BA was sending everyone pin badges and invites to '100 year' celebrations because "our people are our biggest asset". What a crock!
This could have been handled so much better. Only one person is to blame.
If, just if they had got around the table first, talked about the problem and discussed solutions in an open and honest exchange as has happened during previous crisis we could have avoided all this animosity and come out of this with a bit of pride and a spirited attitude to the future. But no, what we have is a bitter, dissalusioned workforce who will either walk away next week despising their previous employer or you will have the chosen ones, equally bitter and angry but forced into accepting their lot as their is no alternative.
Remember it wasn't so long ago that BA was sending everyone pin badges and invites to '100 year' celebrations because "our people are our biggest asset". What a crock!
This could have been handled so much better. Only one person is to blame.
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Maybe a few others are complicit too - those gangsters known as ‘Management Committee’.
Agree with the above: the actions of a bully.
BA seems to like picking fights: pilots, cabin crew, engineers, ground crew, government, even its own customers, have been victims.
Agree with the above: the actions of a bully.
BA seems to like picking fights: pilots, cabin crew, engineers, ground crew, government, even its own customers, have been victims.
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The current version of BA is in it's death throws. The only way to have saved it would have been to furlough 80% of staff indefinitely and quickly, without any discussion. Which of course would be legal in the U.S. but is not in the UK. If they had done that then they would already be calling people back from furlough.
To paraphrase a former colleague (I believe he's one of those who has taken VR): the management at the company has spent years terrorising it's staff with threats of job cuts - the "T "word was definitely used.
It's been the management style for a long long time and it has resulted in Unions whose first response to claims of a crisis is the company is crying wolf..and that in turn has resulted in the banging of heads that TURIN mentioned.
The whole management/union dynamic has been one of perpetual confrontation/low level conflict, even when the billion plus euro/STG profits were briefly rolling in.
It's been the management style for a long long time and it has resulted in Unions whose first response to claims of a crisis is the company is crying wolf..and that in turn has resulted in the banging of heads that TURIN mentioned.
The whole management/union dynamic has been one of perpetual confrontation/low level conflict, even when the billion plus euro/STG profits were briefly rolling in.
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Correct.
When the profits rolled in: sorry folks, nothing for you, but AC gets a 61% raise.
When the economy tanks: sorry folks, YOU have to suffer, because WE spent the money on share buybacks, special dividends, fines for incompetence, and fuel-hedging.
Correct.
When the profits rolled in: sorry folks, nothing for you, but AC gets a 61% raise.
When the economy tanks: sorry folks, YOU have to suffer, because WE spent the money on share buybacks, special dividends, fines for incompetence, and fuel-hedging.
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Be extremely aware when Qatar wants to increase it share in IAG. Expect maintenance to move to Doha, expect all kinds of nasty things to occur. At the end of the day they only look at their own interests. And then you have the geopolitical issues between Qatar and the rest of the gulf on top of it.
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You're still thinking about Qatar as a white knight. You need to read other people's experiences with these guys. The culture of the company will be toxic like you've never seen before. And forget BALPA, they certainly won't talk to those guys.
They want BA for the North Atlantic routes. The Americans don't want more Qatar flights.
They want BA for the North Atlantic routes. The Americans don't want more Qatar flights.
