IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs

[RexBanner]

Originally Posted by wiggy

IMHO I think given what we can see going on in the wider world/wider economy I think the Reps have done a very very good job, some seem to think otherwise..

I agree on the whole it’s about the best we could have hoped for. But it’s soured by the A350/787 issue. Balpa wanted to avoid a “fleet lottery” well they’ve got one now for sure, just a different kind. Given the nature of our employer though I don’t blame them.

[Flap 80]

With regard to the “Fleet lottery“, what consideration has been given by BALPA to the joint 777/787 type ratings to protect the vulnerability of a more senior 777 F/O to CR over a junior 787 F/O?
With regard to the Airbus CCQ A320-A350 approval given on September 17 th 2014 by EASA after training trials what consideration has been given by BALPA to converting A320 pilots below the cut off line but above A350 pilots below the cut off line.
The CCQ appears to be a very short and inexpensive process.

[wiggy]

Certainly and quite understandably it's been a discussion point amongst certain line members.

Not sure what consideration the reps gave it.

[Fursty Ferret]

Not sure how the dual rating works. I have 787/777 on my licence, but does a 777 pilot have 777/787?

[M.Mouse]

The dual rating works both ways.

[bex88]

Any 350/787 pilot who would have also been CR also effectively reduces the CR headcount by 1 because the line does not move upwards.

[Busdriver01]

They’re going to end up making about 100 pp1 Pilots redundant. Hardly worth it - retirements alone will cover that number in a year.

[TURIN]

Unite finally talking with Cruz. First meeting has been held. One to one redundancy 'interviews' postponed until further notice.

[hunterboy]

Hypothetically, I wonder what would happen if Unite manage to negotiate a mere 5% pay cut with no CR, would BALPA have any comeback? I see the VR offered to some cabin crew Is already different to that offered in Flight Ops. There certainly doesn’t seem to be a one size fits all corporate policy .

[Thegreenmachine]

Originally Posted by bex88

Any 350/787 pilot who would have also been CR also effectively reduces the CR headcount by 1 because the line does not move upwards.

Maybe the original line wasn’t where the current line is?

[Plastic787]

Originally Posted by Busdriver01

They’re going to end up making about 100 pp1 Pilots redundant. Hardly worth it - retirements alone will cover that number in a year.

Unless Balpa had a workable plan all along to reduce the CR to zero and it was vetoed from
above because they needed to be seen to be making redundancies in all areas of the business. Just a thought..

[777JRM]

Originally Posted by Thegreenmachine

Maybe the original line wasn’t where the current line is?

BA will put the line where they want.

Just like the original number of 1255(?) redundancies was a number selected for maximum scaremongering and leverage.

They will get their PERMANENT contract changes because, together, the pilots will do whatever they can to prevent CR.

[stormin norman]

This still has a long way to run. The line in the sand will only be firmed up when revenues start creating a profit.

[A320LGW]

Originally Posted by 777JRM

BA will put the line where they want.

Just like the original number of 1255(?) redundancies was a number selected for maximum scaremongering and leverage.

They will get their PERMANENT contract changes because, together, the pilots will do whatever they can to prevent CR.

I am not a BA pilot but I believe what happens at BA has ramifications across the aviation industry across the British Isles. Our outfit have also threatened a high number of compulsory redundancies and I fear their true intentions are to make permanent contract changes rather than acting on any genuine need to make anyone redundant. We all acknowledge this is a serious time in the industry but equally so it is temporary in nature and so should any contract alterations. We really must attempt to hold the line here.

[RexBanner]

I’m definitely one of those for temporary rather than permanent but the immediate problem is becoming more and more severe. COVID cases in the US are skyrocketing and that market won’t be open any time soon. Even when it is how bad are the load factors going to be? The North Atlantic is our engine for profits, without it Short Haul being operational is like putting a sticky plaster on a blast wound. Even then LHR Short Haul has 740 flights in August, roughly enough for 2 day trips for each of the entire pilot workforce. This is bad, really bad. To be honest even with the deal that buys us precious little time before the company are back with more s188s issued and/or the liquidation of the company further down the line.

[bex88]

Stage one LHR 320 had 2700 odd flights.

[FlipFlapFlop]

Rex.......I was depressed before I read your post. Suicidal now. Maybe just add “in my opinion” when making your doom laden predictions. Or better still, keep them to yourself.

[RexBanner]

FlipFlapFlop except it’s not really a matter of opinion, is it? Yes liquidation of the company in a worst case scenario (maybe I should have written that) but everything else is fact open to very little dispute. I may have been fed duff gen in terms of the flights from Heathrow in Aug but even if Bex’s figures are correct that’s seven day trips. Still a big big problem. They’re not doom laden predictions, it’s an attempt to inject a little reality into those who think we have any leverage whatsoever in the consultation with the company (especially after the strike last year). No more no less.

[wiggy]

Originally Posted by FlipFlapFlop

Rex.......I was depressed before I read your post. Suicidal now. Maybe just add “in my opinion”

Sadly maybe Rex had had sight of today's North Atlantic Track message before he formulated his "opinion" that:

"COVID cases in the US are skyrocketing and that market won’t be open any time soon. Even when it is how bad are the load factors going to be? The North Atlantic is our engine for profits,"

It reads...

The following are active North Atlantic Tracks issued by Shanwick Center (EGGX) and Gander Center (CZQX). Any NOTAMs pertaining to these tracks (waypoint changes, procedures) will be found by searching the ARTCC NOTAMs under Shanwick Center (EGGX), Gander Center (CZQX), Boston Center (KZBW) and New York Center (KZNY). 82022 EGGXZOZX(NAT-1/1 TRACKS FLS 310/390 INCLUSIVE
JUL 09/1130Z TO JUL 09/1900Z
PART ONE OF ONE PART-
A PIKIL 56/20 55/30 53/40 51/50 ALLRY
EAST LVLS NIL
WEST LVLS 350 370 390
EUR RTS WEST NIL
NAR NIL-
REMARKS.
1. TMI IS 191..........

That's it, no Track B, C, D, E. etc........traffic is such there's only need for one organised Track...

[777JRM]

Let’s hope Oxford, or someone, gets a vaccine soon.