IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs
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Yes, I agree.
No, sadly if you give something away, you'll never ever getting it back
that's why I won't be able to retire in 20 years unlike grey captains I fly with, they sold my retirement age and allowed a dozen new lower paygrades below them in the last recession as these didn't matter to them. Golden times are long gone.
No, sadly if you give something away, you'll never ever getting it back
that's why I won't be able to retire in 20 years unlike grey captains I fly with, they sold my retirement age and allowed a dozen new lower paygrades below them in the last recession as these didn't matter to them. Golden times are long gone.
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Training exemption - ORS1383
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I’ve been following the thread and news, and am sorry for all of you at BA who have worry of potential forced redundancy / changing T&Cs. I myself have been served notice of redundancy by my operator so know the stress you’re all feeling - especially in these market conditions.
Having read the recent news of BA suspending training on the 747, I’m a little surprised that BA have been training at all during the Covid-19 pandemic following the CAAs ORS 1354 and subsequent 1383 until the 31th October.
Surely BA management would have taken advantage of this regardless of internal training capacities to reduce costs within this department? My OPC was due in May but postponed using this exemption, am I’m unlikely to complete training before I’m handed my P45.
So those in the know, is there a reason why BA have been sending pilots to sim training when this ORS is active? Is it simply that the backlog would cause havoc when the ORS ceases?
I’ve been following the thread and news, and am sorry for all of you at BA who have worry of potential forced redundancy / changing T&Cs. I myself have been served notice of redundancy by my operator so know the stress you’re all feeling - especially in these market conditions.
Having read the recent news of BA suspending training on the 747, I’m a little surprised that BA have been training at all during the Covid-19 pandemic following the CAAs ORS 1354 and subsequent 1383 until the 31th October.
Surely BA management would have taken advantage of this regardless of internal training capacities to reduce costs within this department? My OPC was due in May but postponed using this exemption, am I’m unlikely to complete training before I’m handed my P45.
So those in the know, is there a reason why BA have been sending pilots to sim training when this ORS is active? Is it simply that the backlog would cause havoc when the ORS ceases?
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Are Lingus Pilots got a deal which provides for the return to previous pay levels in September next year and no redundancies for themselves, although 500 jobs go in other areas.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-39302392.html
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-39302392.html
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Within IAG, BA has been operating the turnaround ppe trips to China with 7 pilots whereas EI has been using 5 pilots. Not relevant to the discussion but an interesting comparison.
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Are Lingus Pilots got a deal which provides for the return to previous pay levels in September next year and no redundancies for themselves, although 500 jobs go in other areas.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-39302392.html
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-39302392.html
OK, so this is an IAG company with both long and short-haul flying, like BA.
Shares in the holding company are listed as IAG shares.
BA makes two-thirds of profits for IAG.
So BA employees should not be screwed any more than those at Aer Lingus.
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Certainly at CityFlyer pilots and ground-based staff have had their furlough extended to the end of July. Cabin crew furlough runs until the end of June, for now. I can’t speak for mainline.
BA have requested it, I have no idea who needs to approve it. I can't see any of the TUs objecting. I don't know about the S188. BA did say weeks ago that they would start sending redundancy letters out after 15th June. As far as I know that hasn't happened. Either BA were bluffing or the BA Betrayal campaign has had an effect.
Furlough confirmed until the end of July. Targeted return to work for some as flights build up.
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Turin is cabin crew for BA mainline and with the above referring to themselves. The cabin crew furlough has indeed been extended. Mainline pilots are not given the option to take part in the government furlough scheme.
Not sure how you got the idea I'm crew. I'm not, for the record.
But yes you are correct, the extension of furlough only applies to those depts that were already furloughed.
But yes you are correct, the extension of furlough only applies to those depts that were already furloughed.
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Latest BA offer actually increases pay for some members of staff..
British Airways has vowed not to cut the salaries of its 14,000 cabin crew by more than 20pc in an offer presented to unions as the airline seeks to slash costs after flights were grounded worldwide.
The flag carrier is already planning to axe up to 12,000 staff - more than a quarter of its workforce
The proposals would also mean that more than 40pc of cabin staff who survive the purge get a pay rise, with "market-leading salaries" of between £28,000 and £31,000 for crew and £38,000 for managers.
The 20pc limit on pay cuts was intended to help cushion the blow for long-serving BA crew on contracts that pay them up as much as £70,000, or three times the market rate.
Telegraph
British Airways has vowed not to cut the salaries of its 14,000 cabin crew by more than 20pc in an offer presented to unions as the airline seeks to slash costs after flights were grounded worldwide.
The flag carrier is already planning to axe up to 12,000 staff - more than a quarter of its workforce
The proposals would also mean that more than 40pc of cabin staff who survive the purge get a pay rise, with "market-leading salaries" of between £28,000 and £31,000 for crew and £38,000 for managers.
The 20pc limit on pay cuts was intended to help cushion the blow for long-serving BA crew on contracts that pay them up as much as £70,000, or three times the market rate.
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BA seem to Ben negotiating with themselves and losing. Whilst this looks like a reasonable offer it isn’t. Cabin crew pay consists of different elements, this ‘cushion’ is only for the basic salary. Up to 50 percent of take home pay is variable pay which BA will simply abolish. A 20 percent pay cut suddenly looks more like a much larger percentage pay cut. The subsistence payment to be introduced is cheap and 100 percent taxable.
This is not a reasonable offer.
And nor is it temporary. Any pay uplifts which are negotiated will not apply until the pay parity is achieved for form MF crew and new joiners. So it’s a pay freeze for many years to come. It has also been an own goal. MF crew are understandably annoyed that their new one fleet colleagues will earn substantially more than them, and MF SCCMs who transfer to the manager role may well find that they are the cheapest crew member on their team. Lead balloons spring to mind. BA are either deliberately creating muddy waters or they are increasingly unprepared and incompetent. A plan that was supposedly long formulated looks more like adhoc amateur hour.
This is not a reasonable offer.
And nor is it temporary. Any pay uplifts which are negotiated will not apply until the pay parity is achieved for form MF crew and new joiners. So it’s a pay freeze for many years to come. It has also been an own goal. MF crew are understandably annoyed that their new one fleet colleagues will earn substantially more than them, and MF SCCMs who transfer to the manager role may well find that they are the cheapest crew member on their team. Lead balloons spring to mind. BA are either deliberately creating muddy waters or they are increasingly unprepared and incompetent. A plan that was supposedly long formulated looks more like adhoc amateur hour.
