IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs
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Nobody has handed great wads of cash to anyone. People have sensibly taking away reduction for the reasons of preserving jobs.
You may have noticed not to many people are actually working or aircraft flying these days.
Nobody has handed great wads of cash to anyone. People have sensibly taking away reduction for the reasons of preserving jobs.
You may have noticed not to many people are actually working or aircraft flying these days.
The paycut across all the pilots has saved the company around £60m this year (very rough calc). I don't disagree with this as a methodology, in fact I voted for it. But it still counts as wads of cash by any metric! And this is the same group of pilots who were told very clearly that there wouldn't be any profit share for them when the profits were nudging £2000m a year.
The whole point of a profit share is that it goes down to zero when times get tough for the company, giving them an automatic reduction of outgoings.
MichaelOLearyGenius is clearly trolling for something, but I just couldn't let the false narrative slide by unchallenged.
The whole point of a profit share is that it goes down to zero when times get tough for the company, giving them an automatic reduction of outgoings.
MichaelOLearyGenius is clearly trolling for something, but I just couldn't let the false narrative slide by unchallenged.
"Pilots Together" charity
This charity was mentioned in an earlier thread. It is now fully registered and able to accept donations. Its beneficiaries are pilots in all aviation areas. British Airways pilots and retirees are able to contribute by the Payroll Giving scheme, which this may also be available for other airlines. If you're in the fortunate position of still having a secure income from a career as a pilot, please consider contributing.
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PilotsTogetherhttps://www.[
pilotstogether.org/
A new UK registered charity (Number 1191122) has been set up by current pilots and supporters in summer 2020 in response to the impact of Covid-19 on our community.
PilotsTogether’s goal is to ensure that pilots made redundant remain a part of our community, retain the skills they already have and to help them gain new skills and hopefully gainful employment. We also aim to ensure that no former colleagues and their families face significant financial hardship.
To read more about out mission please visit https://pilotstogether.org/our-mission/
Payroll Giving is the easiest and most tax efficient way to donate to PilotsTogether. The donation is paid from your salary before tax and is set up to donate monthly.
The amount of tax relief you get depends on the rate of tax you pay. Using an example donation of £50 a month, the cost to a higher rate taxpayer would be £30 per month. For a basic rate taxpayer the cost would be £40 per month.
If you are a current employee, to set up payroll giving please visithttps://givingonline.org.uk/British+Air ... index.html
For retired colleagues, please visit
https://givingonline.org.uk/British-Air ... harity.php
It is a very simple process and only takes a few minutes. When you are asked what charity you wish to donate to, please select ‘Pilots Together’. If it does not prepopulate please enter ‘Pilots Together (1191122)‘.
You can also donate directly online here : https://pilotstogether.org/donate/
Registered Charity No. 1191122
https://www.pilotstogether.org/
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PilotsTogetherhttps://www.[
pilotstogether.org/
A new UK registered charity (Number 1191122) has been set up by current pilots and supporters in summer 2020 in response to the impact of Covid-19 on our community.
PilotsTogether’s goal is to ensure that pilots made redundant remain a part of our community, retain the skills they already have and to help them gain new skills and hopefully gainful employment. We also aim to ensure that no former colleagues and their families face significant financial hardship.
To read more about out mission please visit https://pilotstogether.org/our-mission/
Payroll Giving is the easiest and most tax efficient way to donate to PilotsTogether. The donation is paid from your salary before tax and is set up to donate monthly.
The amount of tax relief you get depends on the rate of tax you pay. Using an example donation of £50 a month, the cost to a higher rate taxpayer would be £30 per month. For a basic rate taxpayer the cost would be £40 per month.
If you are a current employee, to set up payroll giving please visithttps://givingonline.org.uk/British+Air ... index.html
For retired colleagues, please visit
https://givingonline.org.uk/British-Air ... harity.php
It is a very simple process and only takes a few minutes. When you are asked what charity you wish to donate to, please select ‘Pilots Together’. If it does not prepopulate please enter ‘Pilots Together (1191122)‘.
You can also donate directly online here : https://pilotstogether.org/donate/
Registered Charity No. 1191122
https://www.pilotstogether.org/
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scr1, I fully appreciate that those on the ground are also in a terrible position at the moment, and financial hardship may well be upon them, so please don’t take this as anything other than an observation:
As I understand it, the charity was set up by serving (and crucially, ‘safe’) BA pilots who felt they wanted to help their (hopefully temporarily) redundant flight deck colleagues, all of whom are junior and many of whom are still laden with large training debt, and who may have been safe had LIFO not been used. They are now looking for funding, the idea being that other BA pilots are the primary source of donations. Other donations welcome, of course.
Perhaps a branch within the charity could be set up for other work groups, or even advice given from the founders of PT to those wishing to set up a similar charity for their workgroup?
As I understand it, the charity was set up by serving (and crucially, ‘safe’) BA pilots who felt they wanted to help their (hopefully temporarily) redundant flight deck colleagues, all of whom are junior and many of whom are still laden with large training debt, and who may have been safe had LIFO not been used. They are now looking for funding, the idea being that other BA pilots are the primary source of donations. Other donations welcome, of course.
Perhaps a branch within the charity could be set up for other work groups, or even advice given from the founders of PT to those wishing to set up a similar charity for their workgroup?
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Having been made redundant in the previous crisis and having done al sorts of jobs outside the cockpit I just want to state that getting an ATPL is a high risk investment. You knew the financial debt you were getting in when you signed your loan with the bank. For this reason I will not contribute. Sorry for that but there are loads if people who are affected by this COVID-19 crisis, not only pilots. If you have the right stamina you will succeed in the end. Do not give up. In the mean time take any job you can get. Give it time.
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Sorry, but what do you mean by "pilots in all aviation areas"?
Do you mean pilots who are NOT just BA compulsory redundant (CR) but anyone who has been made CR by any UK airline? If the latter, then I take off my hat to those BA pilots who are willing to donate to all the UK's unemployed pilots!
Sorry, but what do you mean by "pilots in all aviation areas"?
Do you mean pilots who are NOT just BA compulsory redundant (CR) but anyone who has been made CR by any UK airline? If the latter, then I take off my hat to those BA pilots who are willing to donate to all the UK's unemployed pilots!
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Always nice reading things like this. This isnt like any previous crisis and things wont take the same trajectory as before, recovery will be long and difficult. It is a shame this crisis hasnt allowed you to think of others rather than just yourself. Its not just about a training loan (regardless of the fact BA actually owe several cadets their bond back but are refusing to pay more than a year).
This is half the problem with our industry- I went through it so now you have to, seniority at its worst. Sparing 60£pcm after-tax to help people avoid bankrupcty and certain financial ruin is a small price to pay and despite my own worries about job security I will have no issue in trying to help out my colleagues. The job market out there is non-existent and it is truly disheartening to read things like this. I just hope the rest of our membership doesnt think like this.
Always nice reading things like this. This isnt like any previous crisis and things wont take the same trajectory as before, recovery will be long and difficult. It is a shame this crisis hasnt allowed you to think of others rather than just yourself. Its not just about a training loan (regardless of the fact BA actually owe several cadets their bond back but are refusing to pay more than a year).
This is half the problem with our industry- I went through it so now you have to, seniority at its worst. Sparing 60£pcm after-tax to help people avoid bankrupcty and certain financial ruin is a small price to pay and despite my own worries about job security I will have no issue in trying to help out my colleagues. The job market out there is non-existent and it is truly disheartening to read things like this. I just hope the rest of our membership doesnt think like this.
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Thank you for your post. I realise the world owes us nothing but not following what we want to do in life in case we get hit by a rock or the world collapses is defeatist in itself.
SaulGoodman, yes “there are loads of people who are affected by this Covid-19 crisis, not only pilots” and I have a lot of empathy for them, but this is a pilots forum. Brethren at heart? Maybe not.
SaulGoodman, yes “there are loads of people who are affected by this Covid-19 crisis, not only pilots” and I have a lot of empathy for them, but this is a pilots forum. Brethren at heart? Maybe not.
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This was first posted in a diffeerent thread. But if it is “by BA pilots, for BA pilots” by all means, go ahead. But it looked like it was initially presented as a charity for all redundant pilots...
ID50, Sorry, my fault. I am not actually involved in this and didn't get quite the right message across. As I understand it it is currently limited to BA as those running it are all BA connected, but intended to cover other airlines as soon as possible. See FAQs 4 and 8 on their website. Former BA pilots reading, please consider helping.
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Now why could that be? A320 would be the fleet.
Short or pilots? Only got a email from BALPA this week saying BA had told them there is still a headcount surplus based on the fleet plan they don’t have and won’t share.
Now why could that be? A320 would be the fleet.
Short or pilots? Only got a email from BALPA this week saying BA had told them there is still a headcount surplus based on the fleet plan they don’t have and won’t share.
I was told the total reduction in Headcount Equivalent (so VR,CR,CRS,RAF, etc) came to just shy of 900.
Numbers on the rumour network are:
270-ish Compulsory Redundant
200-ish Voluntary Redundant
300 CRS
80 to RAF/RN/Army (bulk RAF I believe)
40 to BRS (Multi-year unpaid leave)
890 total. Set against BA’s target of 1100. Is that a good result? I’m still employed, so I’d say it is. My mate who got the chop would probably say it isn’t.
Numbers on the rumour network are:
270-ish Compulsory Redundant
200-ish Voluntary Redundant
300 CRS
80 to RAF/RN/Army (bulk RAF I believe)
40 to BRS (Multi-year unpaid leave)
890 total. Set against BA’s target of 1100. Is that a good result? I’m still employed, so I’d say it is. My mate who got the chop would probably say it isn’t.
