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IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs

Old 30th Aug 2020, 09:04
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It's not me! But I believe the chap in question had 3 months to retirement. So wasn't offered VR,
Retiring 3 months early may have actually worked against the CR calculations. It was a slightly tasteless remark but his actions didn't "save a job".
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 10:06
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Originally Posted by Shaman View Post
Has BA permanently closed the LGW A320 base or just reduced it in size?
TIA for the answer.
Permanent is a long time so I doubt anyone can answer that, but in the current plan, all Gatwick A320 pilots are officially becoming Heathrow based A320 pilots. A small handful are entering the CRS but I suspect they failed to enter a supplementary bid (for whatever reason) and so have got what the system thinks they wanted. There are actually a handful of 747 Captains becoming A320 FOs, but I do not think it is a case of being given preference because over 250 Gatwick pilots transferred out of seniority so why deny a handful?
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 11:01
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GS_Alpha,
Thank you very much. It must be an awful time for anyone not being able to retain their seat and base. I feel that once a vaccine becomes available things will start returning to as near as normal more quickly than is feared.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 11:10
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Shaman,

I feel you're right, things will return quickly. What will drag will be administrations paperwork handwringing as they try to politically 'backside' cover all eventualities.

I just hope that those who have been badly stung by this whole mess will have an opportunity to return if they wish to do so. If they didn't I could fully understand their reticence after the way the company has treated them.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 11:17
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I hear a 90 sec Covid test was trailed at LHR .If this test is accurate and can be rolled out, it could be a game changer.

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Old 30th Aug 2020, 15:07
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Not sure about it being a game changer unless it is widely used at numerous airports. It might identify more people with the virus! I am not convinced that people will return to flying, let us hope it prevents a Phase 2 of restructuring
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 15:13
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I think that the only game changer will be a 90% effective vaccine taken by 70% of people. Therefore people will need to be paid to take the Vaccine.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 15:34
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Yes, we need some positive news!

As of today in America, 3,378,859 people have recovered from COVID-19. The media only reports the deaths and new case numbers; remember that the vast majority of people survive.

Since CV19 started, up to Aug 26, 1,390 healthy people (no known pre-conditions) died in England with CV19.
The other 28,141 had a ‘pre-existing condition’.

Data from NHS England on .gov website.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 16:17
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Add in the average age of those who've died of Covid 19 in England has been 80 with an average of 3 underlying health conditions.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 16:32
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2 most common underlying heath conditions with a Covid death? Dementia and Alzheimer’s. A damning indictment on our (in)ability to protect care homes, and a stunning view on who is really at risk from this disease.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 17:04
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Get the gist but the generalisation is not quite right.
Actual ages of UK deaths are.....
45–54 years 2,578
55–64 years 6,813
65–74 years 12,766
75–84 years 18,729
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 20:57
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Originally Posted by Count von Altibar View Post
Well round 2 will be coming around the corner shortly and there'll be a chance for more in-fighting as BA will no doubt issue another S188 very soon. Let's face it 280 CR and 300 technically redundant pilots in a pool being subsidised by others doesn't measure up to the actual crisis facing the company. Very few are flying and the money ain't coming in, BA are actually cancelling flights compared to what they planned to operate in August/September things ain't good.
Jesus enough with the doom and gloom. Add to those figures the 200 out the door via VR, over 100 retiring in the next 12-18 months and PT measures taken at the outset of the crisis. BA will have rid itself of close to the Headcount equivalent of 1000 pilots shortly. If BA were to “right size” the airline for the actual market as it stands at this precise time probably 70%+ of us would be joining the queue to the dole office. The other thing though is that at that point the economies of scale would completely break down and the airline would fail. BA have to balance carefully between downsizing and being ready for a bounceback, WW already stated at the beginning of the Covid crisis that he would seek to avoid the mistakes of 9/11 and the ‘08 Financial Crisis where too much capacity was cut and the airline was unable to respond to the uptick in the market.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 21:06
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Er, remind me again how much of BA's revenue comes from transatlantic traffic?
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 21:09
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And that’s going to last forever, is it? Well might as well call in the receivers now then if that’s the case.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 21:38
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MissChief

A question from the sidelines. Why should a senior pilot be expected to give up his / her retirement dreams and retire early with a reduced pension, so as to allow a junior to continue with their life style? A lot of the "senior pilots" had survived the Airline School of hard knocks in the past.
Because quite a few on those ‘senior’ pilots knew, many years ago, that they were going to have to retire at either 55 or 60. That age limit has been increased to 65 so they’ve had 5 more years of work than they expected when they were in their 30’s and 40’s.
A few of them, not just at BA but at VS too have nice Airforce pensions as well and are hanging on to their last few months whilst others are being made redundant.
Selfish p&i(£s.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 22:03
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
And that’s going to last forever, is it? Well might as well call in the receivers now then if that’s the case.
It doesn't need to last forever, just another few months. Then call in the receivers...or more likely the government and renationalise.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 01:45
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Seems to me that the selfish finger points both ways.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 07:25
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Sometimes you just can't win .......

Since you haven't mentioned it I take you are not aware that the retention pool that has been set up at BA is in effect partially/fully funded by those pilots still employed giving up some of their cash?

..and TBH why should any pilots still at BA should feel "guilty" in the current circumstances given it's BA who are swinging the axe?

srjumbo 747

A few of them, not just at BA but at VS too have nice Airforce pensions
Care to quantify "nice"..a few hundred a month after Tax? Several thousand? What do you reckon?

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Old 31st Aug 2020, 07:59
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Exactly.
No BA pilot should feel guilty.
Remember who the enemy is.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 09:51
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Well however much it is it’s more than the young guy, way down the seniority list, with a mortgage, loan, kids, etc.
The people, 62+ when they were younger knew they’d be retired at 60 so have had an extra few years of good money.
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