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IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs

Old 14th Aug 2020, 13:48
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Turin was referring to Engineering.

BASSA have not engaged, so the omni shambles of VR and CR continues. Not aided by BASSA.

Have BA got any planes to run? One wonders................
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 17:08
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Originally Posted by stormin norman View Post
The amount of qualified/ experienced licenced Engineers that have left the industry recently is alarming . Its last group of people you want walking out of the door.
When you look at the demographic, it was a very real risk. Many of the over 55s I spoke to were ready to call it a day, draw the pension and take their chances rather than sign the new OCG contract, especially with the added 'pre nuptual agreement' to discourage any arbitration claims later.

Best of luck to all those still with an uncertain future.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 09:51
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
The cabin crew deal seems done and dusted. My crew yesterday were all ex mixed fleet. They were very happy to have a job, they were happy with the contract and had no interest in any IA. Sure it could be better but they seem fare more balanced..
MF crew haven’t had their contracts terminated and been presented with a devastating and permanent proposal. In fact MF have a pay rise and CSM less responsibilities as a result of the changes. CSMs no longer have teams to manage Andy administration responsibilities. Of course they seem happy. The issue is UNiTE negotiating for both MF and legacy is a conflict of interests. Former MF crew are the future growth, former legacy crew are in decline.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 10:06
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Could someone qualified please enlighten us as to the cabin crew deal at BA with simple examples of old and new basic pay scales, along with allowances and agreed future terms?
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 21:09
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Roy, I’m not sure you’ll get any takers on that one.
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 23:47
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MF cabin crew no new deal per se, reasonable changes to contract. They do not have to agree to anything.
MF CSMs new agreement and contract as they move from A scale managers to cabin crew scales. No longer have teams to manage on the ground.

New proposal equals pay rise for MF.

Legacy CSDs, CSLs, Pursers and main crew have been given notice of termination of contract. Now on 90 days notice. Negotiations with unions current focused on mitigating compulsory redundancies and presenting options to retained crew to allow those with a CR notice to remain employed.

The dire proposal has yet to be subject to negotiation. Agreement has been reached that the new contract will have a 4 week trial period as per the Employment Rights Act 1996 during which crew can reject the employment as unsuitable and claim CR but no PILON.

No temporary measures, for whatever length of time, are being considered by BA.
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Old 16th Aug 2020, 09:05
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Efforts would be better spent trying to get the government to understand that there will be no aviation industry left unless they stop putting barriers in our way. Right now I would take the job because I can see a very real possibility of a 100% pay cut thanks to Bojo and Co

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Old 16th Aug 2020, 09:37
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I agree, all the sectors of the aviation industry are a strategic asset to the UK. Bojo and Co do not seem to realise that. Whereas France takes an opposite view. I wish the UK government would so something similar.

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Old 16th Aug 2020, 10:19
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Absolutely Bex and Bergerie. The biggest threat lies within. Boris is desperate to build up a portfolio of “good deeds” he can use to offset all the atrocious decisions made to date that have cost thousands of lives. He needs to be seen doing the “right thing” in the eyes of COVID paranoid public. He could not care less at this juncture about aviation as he is demonstrating admirably.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 12:48
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BA Cityflyer pilots have just voted to decimate terms and conditions to save fewer than 10 jobs! Turkeys voting for Christmas. Everything that we’ve spent the last 10+ years fighting for gone.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 13:52
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Care to expand? What are the changes?
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 14:03
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There will be no Aviation jobs soon, unless this Government get their act together.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 14:33
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- Reduction of rest down route to 11hours.
- Airport Hotels - also loss of breakfast provision.
- Trump days off reduced back to 4 per year.

- Extra loyalty week leave (after 5 years) gone for new joiners, those who already have it reduced from 5 to 3 days. Those who’ve yet to qualify for it now only get 1 Day for each year over 5 years until year year 8 when you get the full 3 days. (30 days with a max of 33)

- Leave periods realigned 5 months Summer and 7 months Winter.
- Disruption payments gone and no right to refuse changes less than 3 hours.
- Change to Standby duties now called reserve. If not changed the night before automatically becomes a 07:30-19:30 standby. If the duty starts prior to 08:00 then only 10 hours notice required!
- Protection around start and finish time of Leave days and trump days removed.
- Changes to variable pay and holiday pay.
Holiday pay now only 20 days per year at £14.90 a day. Variable pay £2.49 an hour away from base.

oh oh but we get 1 extra day off a month.

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Old 19th Aug 2020, 17:49
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What a joke. Quite simply Ts and Cs should not be destroyed like RJ100 has quoted. Those items will never be recovered (we know how BA/Cityflyer management behave). It should be LIFO for those who unfortunately have just joined, the rest should not be taking permanent contractual changes like the ones quoted above. What a disgrace.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 18:17
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Min rest away from base is 11hrs under EASA same as reserve the old available for those with long enough memories.
Most Hotels don't do room only rates not sure why Airlines go after this mind you if your heading to a Holiday Inn then...
Its crap time all round
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 19:18
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Just a minor correction. Most hotac can be booked Room Only. I did 21 years international hotac and no breakfast was totally written into our t&c's .Rarely got a breakfast, usually in an ad hoc booking. In the Uk, this is usually justified with the explanation that you are paid duty pay down route to pay for food, so HMRC will look at taxing duty pay if you get free brekkie. Which is true, because they did!

A rotten reduction in T&C's. Typical mean spirited airline management tactic.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 19:29
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I seem to remember that sometimes TCX paid more for the room just so it’s crews didn’t get breakfast included. But then we had “that” sort of management.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 19:54
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Johnson was quoted as saying "*** business" do you really think that he cares for the aviation industry and your jobs. He couldn't care less and Prime Minister Cummings even less.
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 22:40
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Thumbs down

Unfortunately, I think you are indeed correct! It is now too late for many of us already...

I'm sure we will remember this; when the UK aviation industry has failed and we are casting our votes at the next General Election!
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Old 19th Aug 2020, 23:27
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LoL, I can't see that Jezza and his mates would have been out there throwing money towards the aviation sector. More likely to see it as a covid dividend if they took all the contrails out of the sky. They are all useless, the UK has elected mediocre politicians for 2 generations and we are seeing the results.
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