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IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs

Old 17th Jun 2020, 13:36
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Without wishing to join the gloom and doom brigade AFAIK this is a world wide pandemic - I wonder how many countries are going to be issuing work visas for non national pilots for the foreseeable future and in what sort of numbers?
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 14:32
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Originally Posted by 777JRM View Post

1. Where is this ‘flood’ of young pilots? Who would enter the profession now? The British ones are not limited to the UK; there are things called ‘work-visas’ for anyone who sees beyond the EU.

But with who? - airlines around the globe are slashing pilot numbers and going bankrupt every day. Only yesterday Thai went into Chapter 11 and plans to get rid of 30% of their staff.

Yes the industry will start to recover at some point but it is going to be a very long haul and dont forget that Aviation is facing 2 big threats at the moment - you have the worldwide pandemic that may drag on for several years with spikes coming and going, and then when that is finally done you will have the Green Lobby who will continue to try and reduce the size of the aviation industry so as to save the planet.

I'm not so sure that this is a temporary blip and everything will be back to normal in 6 months - I regretfully think it could be a seismic change in the whole structure of the industry.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 14:52
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Originally Posted by Time Traveller View Post
I'm guessing at £84,456 for all.

The soft underbelly for an attack on salaries was always there, but no-one cared because "first they came for....."
Jet2 Captain's sitting at home on furlough are getting paid more than this right now, and you lot are advocating less than this for a BA Captain going forward? Unbelievable. Yes long haul will recover slower, but IAG have ten times the resources of DTG, this has nothing to do with money, this is an attack on your profession from some small minded people and you lot are trying to give them excuses. Absolute scrubs the lot of you.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 14:58
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...the Green Lobby who will continue to try and reduce the size of the aviation industry so as to save the planet.
The green lobby have been found out when it comes to air travel. Everyone is now aware that it was a con. Politicians liked them as it allowed them to add taxes to tickets under the guise of saving the planet. The public have got wise, Air Passenger Duty may well be revoked to help kick start the industry.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 15:27
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Air Passenger Duty may well be revoked to help kick start the industry.
Well it was only a week ago that the Government refused to commit to any suspension of APD let alone revocation - the best they can offer is a possible 'review' of aviation taxation sometime in the future.
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 15:29
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Originally Posted by 777JRM View Post
Possible BS.


1. Where is this ‘flood’ of young pilots? Who would enter the profession now? The British ones are not limited to the UK; there are things called ‘work-visas’ for anyone who sees beyond the EU.

2. So what. Wasn’t it ever so?


How would your start-up airline cope with training demand when this is happening (already approaching 50% recovery?):

Possible sticking your head in the sand...
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Old 17th Jun 2020, 16:09
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
But with who? - airlines around the globe are slashing pilot numbers and going bankrupt every day. Only yesterday Thai went into Chapter 11 and plans to get rid of 30% of their staff.

Yes the industry will start to recover at some point but it is going to be a very long haul and dont forget that Aviation is facing 2 big threats at the moment - you have the worldwide pandemic that may drag on for several years with spikes coming and going, and then when that is finally done you will have the Green Lobby who will continue to try and reduce the size of the aviation industry so as to save the planet.

I'm not so sure that this is a temporary blip and everything will be back to normal in 6 months - I regretfully think it could be a seismic change in the whole structure of the industry.

True, lots of unemployment on the cards, but positive news out of Oxford again, this time a steroid treatment against Covid seems to be yielding good results.

Will we lockdown every time Covid reappears?
Maybe the 99.5% healthy people who get mild/no symptoms have had enough?

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Old 17th Jun 2020, 18:19
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That is for people who were seriously ill on a ventilator, which is far from everybody. Don't be pessimistic, but equally, don't talk it up wildly.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 00:54
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Sometimes I wonder why I bother coming on here... some posts are quite frankly total tosh. This is a 'professional' pilots forum- I am fairly sure some on this forum have about as much knowledge of aviation and commercial flight crew as my golden lab.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 03:21
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
But with who? - airlines around the globe are slashing pilot numbers and going bankrupt every day. Only yesterday Thai went into Chapter 11 and plans to get rid of 30% of their staff.

Yes the industry will start to recover at some point but it is going to be a very long haul and dont forget that Aviation is facing 2 big threats at the moment - you have the worldwide pandemic that may drag on for several years with spikes coming and going, and then when that is finally done you will have the Green Lobby who will continue to try and reduce the size of the aviation industry so as to save the planet.

I'm not so sure that this is a temporary blip and everything will be back to normal in 6 months - I regretfully think it could be a seismic change in the whole structure of the industry.
Where did you get the idea TG are reducing staff?

They have announced NO staff cut backs for foreseeable future just last week.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 05:40
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https://www.thaienquirer.com/14392/t...risis-in-2020/

Thai Airways International

Thai Airways is due in Bankruptcy court on August 17.

The company is trying to keep its assets from being seized by creditors.

The company says that it cannot refund tickets and has grounded its planes since the end of March.

The company says it will likely have to let go of a significant portion of its workforce.

The government has appointed more government officials to try and make the state-owned enterprise more privately owned.

The company is a mess.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 06:10
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https://www.bangkokpost.com/business...s-safe-for-now

Extract from above 13th June report

The management of Thai Airways International (THAI) insists job terminations are not in the pipeline for at least a year even though downsizing the fleet and cutting routes are part of its six-point strategy to turn the business around.

The assurance was given by acting THAI president, Chakkrit Parapuntakul, to airline staff on Thursday during a meeting to clarify the debt-rehabilitation process after the Central Bankruptcy Court agreed to examine its rehabilitation plan in August.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 10:55
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https://simpleflying.com/qatar-airwa...rsed-pay-cuts/


Qatar Airways, like many airlines, has struggled to stay afloat during the current pandemic. This has forced it to introduce pay cuts and make several redundancies. Chief Executive Akbar Al Baker offered hope to the carrier’s employees this week when he said that the pay cuts will be reversed once flying demand returns.

Job priority to be given to laid-off staff



It is funny how we've come to a world where a ME airline tries to protect its employees (with no unions to negotiate) rather than a British airline with a multitude of unions and government officials getting nowhere. Are we really living in the correct region?

Food for thought
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 16:05
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There is a rumour going around that BA Pilots have been offered an enhanced VR package. It is also rumoured that all staff are to be offered a similarly enhanced VR deal in an email.

Can anyone here confirm this?
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 17:11
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I certainly would not describe it as enhanced. In my particular case, I am financially better off to wait for compulsory redundancy.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 17:23
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Wot GS-Alpha said....

It might be slightly better than CR for some but it depends on circumstances.

I gather is nowhere near as "enhanced"/generous as the packages some are being offered in one or two other parts of the UK aviation industry.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 17:54
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Also heard a rumour that AF are offering 2 years pay!
Not sure if it is tax-free in France?

Of course, the UK taxes you if you lose your job; only the first £30k is tax-free.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 18:53
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Not only that, I understand that they tax any pay which you might get in lieu of notice as well.
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 19:11
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Yup, Pay in Lieu of Notice (PILON) is taxable in the UK
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Old 18th Jun 2020, 19:30
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
The current times are unprecedented and sacrifices need to be made, bend a bit to avoid being broken.
Yes, I agree.
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Stick together and when the good times return you will have a strong and established union already in place to do some hard bargaining and make up lost ground.
No, sadly if you give something away, you'll never ever getting it back that's why I won't be able to retire in 20 years unlike grey captains I fly with, they sold my retirement age and allowed a dozen new lower paygrades below them in the last recession as these didn't matter to them. Golden times are long gone.
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