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Feeling its important we keep a track of what our employers do over the coming months so that down the line we can all make educated decisions on who can be considered employers of choice, once the choice returns.... Worth mentioning not only limited to financial actions but how people are treated can be included also. I will add people's comments to the original thread from time to time so it can be referred back to for easy reading, and lastly try and be factual 
best of luck to us all in the coming months and finally if people don't want to post publicly they can PM me and I will post the update.
best of luck to us all in the coming months and finally if people don't want to post publicly they can PM me and I will post the update.Last edited by Whitemonk Returns; 4th May 2020 at 21:10.
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BA: 2 weeks unpaid in each of APR & MAY, spread over 3 months. Works out to 69% for APR, MAY & JUN. Pension redirection into pay is available upon request. This adds ~21%. Threats of 12,000 staff to go including 1135 pilots beginning in June.
Update: redundancies reduced significantly, bottom 450 on the seniority list at risk with the exception of any 787/350 pilots.
Aer Lingus: All pilots on 50% part time, April, May and June. 900 company wide redundancies (20% of workforce). No pilot redundancies so far.
Virgin UK: 47% pay cut with the furlough added on top of that up until June. 426 pilot jobs to go as of May 5th, Gatwick base to close but keeping slots. All 4 engine aircraft to be retired.
Easyjet: 3 options you can choose from.1. 2 Months unpaid leave April/May then full pay assuming no more furlough. Government £2.5k.
2. 50% salary advance spread over 4 months. Then full pay.
3. 67% salary advance Spread over 6 months. Then full pay.
Options 2 and 3 include government £2.5k with the difference been made up by EZY to make the percentage. So months April and May you are in effect “borrowing money from future earnings” go back in June BUT you will receive that same percentage overall.
June: 727 pilot redundancies announced, up to 1/3 of the pilot workforce spread accross all UK bases.
Update Dec: 220 German based pilots fired using a points based matrix to comply with German law
TUI UK: furlough scheme 30k/year plus half the difference between furlough and salary. Therefore 100k normal salary is now 65k. No redundancies at present. Return to flying/full pay based on seniority.July Agreement reached:
Zero redundancies. Zero long term changes to terms and conditions. All pilots 80% pay for 80% work rate from Nov 1st . Staged recovery then based on commercial operation/requirements, going to 90% pay for 90% work rate and finally returning to full pay and 100% work rate by 31st October 2021.
Only when all pilots within base, seat, and rank, have had the opportunity to be stage 1 recalled, can stage 2 recalls begin.
Voluntary exit pathway also created for Cpts on pay point 20 or above. Yearly pay increments as per previous pay deal maintained.
Jet2: Basic salary will be reduced by 30.00% for Captains, 24.81% for Senior First Officers, 23.14% for First Officers, and 18.56% for Second Officers. Profit share and 3% payrise cancelled.
June update: Original plans backtracked on, 102 redundancies announced, primarily LIFO spread accross all fleets. All pilots on 70% pay until January 2021. Communication very poor after a solid start.
Update Dec: 70% pay extended until April, barring unforseen circumstances full pay offered to be reinstated for all crew from April 2021.
Stobart: 8 pilots including Captains and First officers kept to run government funded routes (Donegal and Kerry). All other crew laid off. Company did not sign up to wage subsidy schemes in the UK or Ireland.
Update: August, despite advertising for pilots for a new base in BHD, all 50 roles expected to be filled internally from the pool of 145 guys who were laid off.
Cityjet: has also told unions that it’s seeking as many as 700 layoffs across Europe, with 276 in Ireland and the UK affected
Logan Air: Staggered furlough system for April and May, depending on base. Some bases one month furlough, other bases two. Talks of extending furlough to July. Currently skeleton schedule, nearly all props on PSO routes. All staff taken 20% pay cut until July.
Update July: Return to flying much slower than anticipated. JRS will continue to be used for it’s entire duration. Those returning to work will be on full pay. Volunteers sought for extended furlough, part-time work, or unpaid leave as mitigation. August 2020: Terminations and redundancies started. P45s received in post, with no communication from management as to why.
Update Dec: Phase 1 redundancies: roughly 30 pilot redundancies already made (mostly consisting of Chester ERJ crew). This number excludes many pilots terminated on grounds of “contractual frustration” during the summer.
Pilots also forced to accept reduction of contractual notice period to statutory notice period (1 week per year of service. Some pilots on as little as 1 week notice). Pilots given a choice between acceptance, or putting themselves at risk of redundancy.
Phase 2 redundancies: Roughly 70 pilots from all bases and fleets being earmarked for future redundancy, based on business outlook for S21. Recovery = redundancy withdrawn and they keep their jobs. No recovery = redundancy.
Ryanair: 50% reduction in basic. Reality varies greatly depending on base country, Italy allegedly pays 80% of salary, Spain much less so, 1000 to 2000 euro a month.
May 19th BALPA RYR announce: 336 jobs to go 185 CPT / 151 FOs.
Jul 1st: 20% pay cut approved by over 90% of BALPA members allegedly, to be restored by 2024, on the assumption of jobs being protected.
Ryanair Buzz/Lauda: guaranteed Flight allowance is 12 hrs ínstead of 40 hrs. Sign the new contract or you're out. Not sure what this totals as but I'm guessing not great. More info? 43 alleged redundancies so far, cadets and direct entries. Closing VIE base after threatening crews with lower contracts that the union rejected, 300 pilots to go.
Norweigen: overseas crewing companies declared bankrupt. Just 7 a/c keep flying through April 2021, in Scandinavia. Cut the LH fleet by 50% (at least) 40-50 aircraft less means a lot of base closures to come.
SAS: laying off 50% of its staff (5000 employees).
pilots in Sweden are on 92,5 % salary, subsidised by the state. Notice period is six months, also paid. Norway no pay if furloughed, govt support up to approx. 60% pay. Depends on your wages the last 12 months - if you are new, then approx. 15-25% pay. 14 days to 6 months notice period, paid. Denmark: 78% pay, between 1 to 11 months notice period.
Update July: 559 pilots let go.
Wizz: 265 total pilot redundancies in April, 142 contractors. Apparently already recruiting for Abu Dhabi base on very poor contracts.
TAP (Air Portugal) : April until July 90% of the Pilots at home with 66% average monthly net. Portuguese Social Security Paid 2/3 up to a max of 1905 Euro. Company at their own initiative paid a complement to reach 66% monthly net (by portugueses labor law they didn't had to).
From August until December 2020 20% (A320 fleet) or 30% (A330 feet) duty reduction.
Company pays 70% or 80% basic salary plus 100% flight allowances (for te guys flying). Portuguese Social Security pays 66% of the remaining 20%,30%, witch means that on the 320 Pilots get 93,2% net, and on the 330 89,8% net. Either you fly or don't fly.
Company is keeping all Pilots current and qualified (Refresher course, LPC, OPC, Line checks, medical).
Update Dec: 500 threatened with REDUNDANCY by the company, so far unknown criteria to be used
KLM/AF: Full salaries. All pilots with a French contract and paying social contributions are on 84% of their net basic salary: state furlough scheme up to 5400€. That includes Easyjet, Vueling, Volotea, Travel Service, etc... For AF, the company pays the difference so everyone receives their basic salary.
Lufthansa:
Flydubai:
Emirates: 50% pay cut on basic salary for April, May and June. Accommodation allowance Advances not renewed and will only be paid at the monthly rate.
Redundancies: All pilots on probation plus for now an additional 100 approx. Total number laid off is around 200. Across 380 and 777. 14 days notice, additional 30 days to get out of the country.
9/6/20 - 599 redundancies today in brutal fashion: Reported 400 from A380, 200 from B777 with a further 300 to come, seniority worthless, high percentage of those fired had sickness records.
8th July: another 840 pilots facing the bullet, rumors of another 700 to come. Rumors of a small fleet of 250 pilots to remain on the A380. Emiratization in full effect.
Qatar: new (permanent) 25% basic salary reduction plus 25% flight pay reduction.
Tomorrow they’ll start sending the letters for Captain, First officers and second officers that will leave the company. July: 787/350 Cpts and FOs being fired in the hundreds, seemingly at random, seniority worthless as at EK.
The Unmentionable: last year around 2200 pilots..
Over the year they reduced to 1800 by showing sick and low attendance the door.
This (July) another 400 including all 60plus and expat second officers or junior FO’s who have yet to convert their MPL’s to usable licences, pay back their bonds, or accrue much of an EOSB, an alarming amount of female captains, 90% of the FI’s that came across from the academy to mainline, and then a smattering or entirely random individuals who sit in the upper parts of the seniority list.
Saudia: About 50 first officers and about 45 captains prematurely terminated. All foreigners.
Oman Air: has terrminated around 200 pilots and hundreds of cabin crew. All terminated pilots are expats, locals are safe.
All expats in the company are on a 80% salary cut while locals have a reduction from 0 to 20% depending on their basic salary.
ANA:
Air Japan:
Korean Air: expat pilots April, May and June off with no pay. Contracts on renewal mostly not renewed. Koreans on 50-70% pay?
Update, 30th June all expat FOs, all expat 737 captains, all A380 captains and any expat in training now terminated.
Cathay Pacific: 747 fleet flat out and on full pay (unless you volunteered for unpaid leave), 777 and Airbus passenger fleets on varying stages of unpaid leave, or if you're London or Oz based, furloughed.
Update Dec: legacy contracts ripped up and new contract offered to all crew, sign or see yourself put. Over 95% of crew have accepted new deal to avoid unemployment.
China: All foreign pilots on indefinite unpaid leave. Feel free to post individual airline examples. Further info incoming.
DHL: Full rosters and pay!
CargoLux:
Turkish Airlines: Under the new contract, the airline will cut approximately 35% of wages, returning to 2018 levels. The airline will not increase salaries in 2021. Additionally, the airline employees will not be able to receive bonus payments until 2022.
Update Dec: all expat pilots on indeffinete UPL?
West Atlantic UK - Full rosters, full pay. Some pilots even working days off last month.
Add airlines not on the list, or post corrections or expansions on any info above, and I will try and update it when able.
BA: 2 weeks unpaid in each of APR & MAY, spread over 3 months. Works out to 69% for APR, MAY & JUN. Pension redirection into pay is available upon request. This adds ~21%. Threats of 12,000 staff to go including 1135 pilots beginning in June.
Update: redundancies reduced significantly, bottom 450 on the seniority list at risk with the exception of any 787/350 pilots.
Aer Lingus: All pilots on 50% part time, April, May and June. 900 company wide redundancies (20% of workforce). No pilot redundancies so far.
Virgin UK: 47% pay cut with the furlough added on top of that up until June. 426 pilot jobs to go as of May 5th, Gatwick base to close but keeping slots. All 4 engine aircraft to be retired.
Easyjet: 3 options you can choose from.1. 2 Months unpaid leave April/May then full pay assuming no more furlough. Government £2.5k.
2. 50% salary advance spread over 4 months. Then full pay.
3. 67% salary advance Spread over 6 months. Then full pay.
Options 2 and 3 include government £2.5k with the difference been made up by EZY to make the percentage. So months April and May you are in effect “borrowing money from future earnings” go back in June BUT you will receive that same percentage overall.
June: 727 pilot redundancies announced, up to 1/3 of the pilot workforce spread accross all UK bases.
Update Dec: 220 German based pilots fired using a points based matrix to comply with German law
TUI UK: furlough scheme 30k/year plus half the difference between furlough and salary. Therefore 100k normal salary is now 65k. No redundancies at present. Return to flying/full pay based on seniority.July Agreement reached:
Zero redundancies. Zero long term changes to terms and conditions. All pilots 80% pay for 80% work rate from Nov 1st . Staged recovery then based on commercial operation/requirements, going to 90% pay for 90% work rate and finally returning to full pay and 100% work rate by 31st October 2021.
Only when all pilots within base, seat, and rank, have had the opportunity to be stage 1 recalled, can stage 2 recalls begin.
Voluntary exit pathway also created for Cpts on pay point 20 or above. Yearly pay increments as per previous pay deal maintained.
Jet2: Basic salary will be reduced by 30.00% for Captains, 24.81% for Senior First Officers, 23.14% for First Officers, and 18.56% for Second Officers. Profit share and 3% payrise cancelled.
June update: Original plans backtracked on, 102 redundancies announced, primarily LIFO spread accross all fleets. All pilots on 70% pay until January 2021. Communication very poor after a solid start.
Update Dec: 70% pay extended until April, barring unforseen circumstances full pay offered to be reinstated for all crew from April 2021.
Stobart: 8 pilots including Captains and First officers kept to run government funded routes (Donegal and Kerry). All other crew laid off. Company did not sign up to wage subsidy schemes in the UK or Ireland.
Update: August, despite advertising for pilots for a new base in BHD, all 50 roles expected to be filled internally from the pool of 145 guys who were laid off.
Cityjet: has also told unions that it’s seeking as many as 700 layoffs across Europe, with 276 in Ireland and the UK affected
Logan Air: Staggered furlough system for April and May, depending on base. Some bases one month furlough, other bases two. Talks of extending furlough to July. Currently skeleton schedule, nearly all props on PSO routes. All staff taken 20% pay cut until July.
Update July: Return to flying much slower than anticipated. JRS will continue to be used for it’s entire duration. Those returning to work will be on full pay. Volunteers sought for extended furlough, part-time work, or unpaid leave as mitigation. August 2020: Terminations and redundancies started. P45s received in post, with no communication from management as to why.
Update Dec: Phase 1 redundancies: roughly 30 pilot redundancies already made (mostly consisting of Chester ERJ crew). This number excludes many pilots terminated on grounds of “contractual frustration” during the summer.
Pilots also forced to accept reduction of contractual notice period to statutory notice period (1 week per year of service. Some pilots on as little as 1 week notice). Pilots given a choice between acceptance, or putting themselves at risk of redundancy.
Phase 2 redundancies: Roughly 70 pilots from all bases and fleets being earmarked for future redundancy, based on business outlook for S21. Recovery = redundancy withdrawn and they keep their jobs. No recovery = redundancy.
Ryanair: 50% reduction in basic. Reality varies greatly depending on base country, Italy allegedly pays 80% of salary, Spain much less so, 1000 to 2000 euro a month.
May 19th BALPA RYR announce: 336 jobs to go 185 CPT / 151 FOs.
Jul 1st: 20% pay cut approved by over 90% of BALPA members allegedly, to be restored by 2024, on the assumption of jobs being protected.
Ryanair Buzz/Lauda: guaranteed Flight allowance is 12 hrs ínstead of 40 hrs. Sign the new contract or you're out. Not sure what this totals as but I'm guessing not great. More info? 43 alleged redundancies so far, cadets and direct entries. Closing VIE base after threatening crews with lower contracts that the union rejected, 300 pilots to go.
Norweigen: overseas crewing companies declared bankrupt. Just 7 a/c keep flying through April 2021, in Scandinavia. Cut the LH fleet by 50% (at least) 40-50 aircraft less means a lot of base closures to come.
SAS: laying off 50% of its staff (5000 employees).
pilots in Sweden are on 92,5 % salary, subsidised by the state. Notice period is six months, also paid. Norway no pay if furloughed, govt support up to approx. 60% pay. Depends on your wages the last 12 months - if you are new, then approx. 15-25% pay. 14 days to 6 months notice period, paid. Denmark: 78% pay, between 1 to 11 months notice period.
Update July: 559 pilots let go.
Wizz: 265 total pilot redundancies in April, 142 contractors. Apparently already recruiting for Abu Dhabi base on very poor contracts.
TAP (Air Portugal) : April until July 90% of the Pilots at home with 66% average monthly net. Portuguese Social Security Paid 2/3 up to a max of 1905 Euro. Company at their own initiative paid a complement to reach 66% monthly net (by portugueses labor law they didn't had to).
From August until December 2020 20% (A320 fleet) or 30% (A330 feet) duty reduction.
Company pays 70% or 80% basic salary plus 100% flight allowances (for te guys flying). Portuguese Social Security pays 66% of the remaining 20%,30%, witch means that on the 320 Pilots get 93,2% net, and on the 330 89,8% net. Either you fly or don't fly.
Company is keeping all Pilots current and qualified (Refresher course, LPC, OPC, Line checks, medical).
Update Dec: 500 threatened with REDUNDANCY by the company, so far unknown criteria to be used
KLM/AF: Full salaries. All pilots with a French contract and paying social contributions are on 84% of their net basic salary: state furlough scheme up to 5400€. That includes Easyjet, Vueling, Volotea, Travel Service, etc... For AF, the company pays the difference so everyone receives their basic salary.
Lufthansa:
Flydubai:
Emirates: 50% pay cut on basic salary for April, May and June. Accommodation allowance Advances not renewed and will only be paid at the monthly rate.
Redundancies: All pilots on probation plus for now an additional 100 approx. Total number laid off is around 200. Across 380 and 777. 14 days notice, additional 30 days to get out of the country.
9/6/20 - 599 redundancies today in brutal fashion: Reported 400 from A380, 200 from B777 with a further 300 to come, seniority worthless, high percentage of those fired had sickness records.
8th July: another 840 pilots facing the bullet, rumors of another 700 to come. Rumors of a small fleet of 250 pilots to remain on the A380. Emiratization in full effect.
Qatar: new (permanent) 25% basic salary reduction plus 25% flight pay reduction.
Tomorrow they’ll start sending the letters for Captain, First officers and second officers that will leave the company. July: 787/350 Cpts and FOs being fired in the hundreds, seemingly at random, seniority worthless as at EK.
The Unmentionable: last year around 2200 pilots..
Over the year they reduced to 1800 by showing sick and low attendance the door.
This (July) another 400 including all 60plus and expat second officers or junior FO’s who have yet to convert their MPL’s to usable licences, pay back their bonds, or accrue much of an EOSB, an alarming amount of female captains, 90% of the FI’s that came across from the academy to mainline, and then a smattering or entirely random individuals who sit in the upper parts of the seniority list.
Saudia: About 50 first officers and about 45 captains prematurely terminated. All foreigners.
Oman Air: has terrminated around 200 pilots and hundreds of cabin crew. All terminated pilots are expats, locals are safe.
All expats in the company are on a 80% salary cut while locals have a reduction from 0 to 20% depending on their basic salary.
ANA:
Air Japan:
Korean Air: expat pilots April, May and June off with no pay. Contracts on renewal mostly not renewed. Koreans on 50-70% pay?
Update, 30th June all expat FOs, all expat 737 captains, all A380 captains and any expat in training now terminated.
Cathay Pacific: 747 fleet flat out and on full pay (unless you volunteered for unpaid leave), 777 and Airbus passenger fleets on varying stages of unpaid leave, or if you're London or Oz based, furloughed.
Update Dec: legacy contracts ripped up and new contract offered to all crew, sign or see yourself put. Over 95% of crew have accepted new deal to avoid unemployment.
China: All foreign pilots on indefinite unpaid leave. Feel free to post individual airline examples. Further info incoming.
DHL: Full rosters and pay!
CargoLux:
Turkish Airlines: Under the new contract, the airline will cut approximately 35% of wages, returning to 2018 levels. The airline will not increase salaries in 2021. Additionally, the airline employees will not be able to receive bonus payments until 2022.
Update Dec: all expat pilots on indeffinete UPL?
West Atlantic UK - Full rosters, full pay. Some pilots even working days off last month.
Add airlines not on the list, or post corrections or expansions on any info above, and I will try and update it when able.
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TUI UK: furlough scheme 30k/year plus half the difference between furlough and salary. Therefore 100k normal salary is now 65k. No redundancies at present but talk just started of leaner operation next year so who knows.
When flying resumes, people will
come back in batches in seniority order, and back to full pay.
When flying resumes, people will
come back in batches in seniority order, and back to full pay.
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I like the idea of this thread but may I suggest changing the title to something less analogical? Hopefully the value of this thread will prove itself in the longer term, reason why I think we should make it as easy as possible to retrieve it in the future with the search function. Just a suggestion, otherwise great iniative OP!
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Cathay Pacific - 747 fleet flat out and on full pay (unless you volunteered for unpaid leave), 777 and Airbus passenger fleets on varying stages of unpaid leave, or if you're London or Oz based, furloughed.
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Easyjet. 3 options you can choose from.
1. 2 Months unpaid leave April/May then full pay assuming no more furlough. Government £2.5k.
2. 50% salary advance spread over 4 months. Then full pay.
3. 67% salary advance Spread over 6 months. Then full pay.
Options 2 and 3 include government £2.5k with the difference been made up by EZY to make the percentage. So months April and May you are in effect “borrowing money from future earnings” go back in June BUT you will receive that same percentage you selected over said period so it’s spread out.
This agreement was all assuming if we went back to flying June. Otherwise renegotiations for furlough extension which looks likely come end of May, which results in the above deals been extended over a longer period.
1. 2 Months unpaid leave April/May then full pay assuming no more furlough. Government £2.5k.
2. 50% salary advance spread over 4 months. Then full pay.
3. 67% salary advance Spread over 6 months. Then full pay.
Options 2 and 3 include government £2.5k with the difference been made up by EZY to make the percentage. So months April and May you are in effect “borrowing money from future earnings” go back in June BUT you will receive that same percentage you selected over said period so it’s spread out.
This agreement was all assuming if we went back to flying June. Otherwise renegotiations for furlough extension which looks likely come end of May, which results in the above deals been extended over a longer period.
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How many airlines are still on full pay?
Whitemonk Returns has mentioned one (or part of that airline). I suspect that two others that he had listed, but with no info, may be similar?
Whitemonk Returns has mentioned one (or part of that airline). I suspect that two others that he had listed, but with no info, may be similar?
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SAS: laying off 50% of its staff (5000 employees).
Thereafter the notice period is six month, also paid.
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More to hit the fan today when the HKAOA meet the company. Not looking rosy.
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Korean Air expat pilots April, May and June off with no pay now extended to indefinite LWOP. Contracts on renewal mostly (but not all) not renewed.
Koreans on 50% company pay plus further 20% pay from Korean government. Koreans working part time.
Over 60s terminated?
Update, 30th June all expat FOs, all expat 737 captains, all A380 captains and any expat in training now terminated.
Koreans on 50% company pay plus further 20% pay from Korean government. Koreans working part time.
Over 60s terminated?
Update, 30th June all expat FOs, all expat 737 captains, all A380 captains and any expat in training now terminated.
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All pilots with a french contract (actually employed by an airline with a french contract and paying social contributions) are on 84% of their net basic salary, paid for by the state furlough scheme up to 5400€. That includes Easyjet, Vueling, Volotea, Travel Service, etc...
For AF, the company pays the difference so everyone receives their basic salary.
For AF, the company pays the difference so everyone receives their basic salary.