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Old 10th Dec 2020, 16:55
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Really? What can you tell us?
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 17:20
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Its only a bit of "tongue in cheek"

However, It will be interesting to see if it actually happens. Im hoping it will for everyone there, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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You can amend the easyJet section: 220 FOs and Captains made redundant in Germany last week.
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 18:50
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So far 69 CP, 76 FO, 76 PU and 197 FA were fired.
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Old 31st May 2021, 09:54
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So it's been a year since lockdown which airlines got it right so far? Jet2 in hibernation still although apparently are financially well placed.

Tui still hanging on by a thread massively in debt still with no redundancies.

Virgin and BA recalling pilots?

Wizz seems business as usual.

Anyone else?
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Old 31st May 2021, 10:44
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As far as i know TUI Germany will reduce its fleet by more than 50% and has already fired the personnel for that fleet, using Smartlynx and similar ACMI companies instead of its own aircraft for the german market.
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Old 31st May 2021, 15:34
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Jet2 financials are full of smoke and mirrors. Who even knows their REAL financial position. Their share price looks seriously inflated.

“Tui holding on by a thread” is complete nonsense also, this debt is owed by a multi conglomerate, which makes BILLIONS a year not just millions like jet2. The debt is a lot but manageable, and it’s also to the German government which has helped, a damn sight more than this shower is 💩 we have here in the UK.

hopefully the end is in sight now, and that all these companies survive.
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DHL doing fine
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Old 31st May 2021, 19:27
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BA I don’t believe are recalling pilots, that’s duff gen.
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 06:34
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I'm presuming the crunch will come for UK pilots when furlough stops. Which is when the management will be wanting more from the pilots to support the businesses.

Don't be too sure about TUI Biffstick. or any if the big companies, none are too big to fail. Debt has to be repaid and summer 2021 is looking like a none event. There are going to be changes. Now would be a great time to set an airline up, cheap aircraft and crews are everywhere.
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 07:37
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Jet2 had promised steady rise from 70% to 80% salary for all pilots from July and back to 100% by October... Unsurprisingly they have backtracked and now it's 70% until October and we will have a chat then. The share price is inflated.

On the plus side we now have SIM instructors crying to the company they are working too hard and deserve to be paid more for the effort. Must be tough surviving on 100k in lockdown....

So yeah, things are basically going back to normal!
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 12:57
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Are Jet2 still paying pilots the government furlough pay? I think MrKipling has a point with crunch time being when the furlough payments stop.

I dont think it will be just airlines either, there will be plenty of other companies letting people go.

TUI didnt let anyone go which was a result for all the boys and girls who wern't even rated but have been paid for the last year, nice work if you can get it.

Glad I'm out of it, best of luck chaps.
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JET2: 70% of basic salary for all pilots so the company have taken the furlough money and basically topped up all salaries for the last 14 months. Missive out today that they will review the backtrack on increasing pay in August if demand has increased with the traffic light system. Also insisting there are no further planned redundancies as all pilots will be needed for 2022. Pilot apprentices who were let go have also rejoined the company recently. Hopefully the 100 or so ex TCX pilots who were let go will be offered the chance to rejoin in spring next year.
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Old 1st Jun 2021, 21:53
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BA are not recalling any pilots. Those made redundant are hoping for a return late 2022/23.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 15:09
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Large Fractional bizjet company"
Asked not to name them directly via PM....Initially 120 pilots, 50 flight attendants made redundant with double pay in May 2020. That extra pay came from the donations of the remaining flight crew. The demand was so high during summer 2020 that the pilots and cabin crew were offered their jobs back on their old pay/fleet/rank. Happily the boss was fired. The donated pay was returned to the flight crew by the company. The returnees kept all their redundancy pay.Apart from the above, no crews had their pay docked, no 50% rosters or other redundancies. All bonuses paid.No furloughs.
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And the Union surprised us with a significantly improved performance bonus scheme introduced for this summer
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 15:01
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If only this was true. You are forgetting the 50 or so JET2 pilots based in Spanish bases at Palma, Mallorca and Alicante. All these pilots were placed on the Spanish furlough in April 2020, where the employee is paid out a maximum of 1,000 per month and maximum allowances for dependents of 500 per month. These furlough amounts are taxable and Social Security contributions are also deducted. JET2 made a take it or leave it offer of 2,000 per month top up, on top of the Spanish furlough monthly payment, which top up is also gross and taxable. The average take home monthly amount a JET2 Spanish based pilot takes home is not much more than about 2,000 net per month, which equates to about 20% of his normal salary. There is considerable hardship being experienced by these pilots and the future prospects look grim with the possibility of returning to full employment and pay even at 70% looking to be too far in the future. The Spanish furlough arrangements are due to end at the end of September and it is doubtful the Spanish Government will extend the arrangement beyond that date. If you have a family, mortgage and maybe a bank loan, having your salary reduced by 30% makes the going tough, so just imagine how the JET2 Spanish based pilots are having to cope right now, since April 2020.....and the foreseeable future.
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 07:21
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DD: you are correct, the Spanish arm had slipped my mind my apologies. It is very unfortunate how that has played out and while Jet2 definitely carry some blame the lower generosity of the Spanish furlough scheme must take the majority of it. Not what people want to hear but it is the truth, hopefully we all get back flying in 2022 and can hang on until then because these Muppets in Whitehall seem determined to ruin this summer aswell
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Unfortunately, I suspect there's going to be a lot of updates to this thread over the next 3-4 months given the UK Governments attitude towards aviation being so juxtaposed to the rest of Europe/US.
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 11:02
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I tend to disagree, the clowns in charge aside there is not really enough time now for employers to do much more damage. Any further redundancies in the UK would require 3 months notice, so that would bring us to Octoberish time by which point any airline hoping to fly a large percentage of their airplanes for 2022 will need the crews and won't want to let them go because you can be sure RYR or the like will be waiting to take them.

The cynic might say it was the plan all along from up high to string the industry along the whole time with vague promises of a summer season, in the knowledge that it would limit redundancies. By the time the reality hits in a few weeks, the more eager accountants will hopefully have run out of time to do their worst.
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