Coronavirus- Rostering and Seating Issues
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Globalisation and over population probably go hand in hand. You seem to welcome the opportunity of a mass extermination of people you deem to be of either the wrong demographic or of a lesser intelligence. It’s not a new view point, the last really big reduction in world population was brought about by similar elitist agendas not by Gaia.
As for reverting to socialism, there are still remote South Pacific islands that exist in perfect harmony with their environment. Not by any other means than coexisting with themselves and nature. Perfect socialism, not that they’d know it.
pulling our socks up isn’t going to cut it anymore. Less consumption, less expansion, more conservation might give us a chance. We have no idea what pathogens are waiting to cross over in pristine Rain Forrests. And that is very Gaia, and very scary....
As for reverting to socialism, there are still remote South Pacific islands that exist in perfect harmony with their environment. Not by any other means than coexisting with themselves and nature. Perfect socialism, not that they’d know it.
pulling our socks up isn’t going to cut it anymore. Less consumption, less expansion, more conservation might give us a chance. We have no idea what pathogens are waiting to cross over in pristine Rain Forrests. And that is very Gaia, and very scary....
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You talk as if it's just the UK that is to blame for your children's lack of a future.
Where in the world right now are you planning on flying all the people who are queuing up to go on holiday?
Last time I looked large chunks of the world are closed down is this the UK governments fault too?
Why not go and do some volunteer work, especially as you know you and all your children have had the virus. It might help you relax about the situation that you cant control.
Where in the world right now are you planning on flying all the people who are queuing up to go on holiday?
Last time I looked large chunks of the world are closed down is this the UK governments fault too?
Why not go and do some volunteer work, especially as you know you and all your children have had the virus. It might help you relax about the situation that you cant control.
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I already have and am doing active volunteering locally. it’s not me that needs to take a chill pill. Some people need to wake up though. I don’t do leisure.
Todays headline in the Times:
The reason:
This isn’t risking the leisure industry. It’s risking the whole economy. personally think it needs to be the over 55s and much earlier. The medical establishment have had too much control.
Other countries will have to choose to destroy their economic output or do the same. Things will get moving pretty quickly, supply chains cannot do half way house with Just in Time. It’s either on or off.
Todays headline in the Times:
The second “amber” phase, beginning in late May or early June, would see more shops and businesses reopen, all employees urged to return to work and some small social gatherings permitted. Pubs and restaurants and larger events such as sport and concerts would not be phased in until July or later in the summer.
However, ministers warn that the over-70s and those who are particularly vulnerable to the coronavirus will be stuck on a “red” light for months. They will have to wait until there is a vaccine before resuming normal life. This third phase may not be possible until the autumn of next year.
However, ministers warn that the over-70s and those who are particularly vulnerable to the coronavirus will be stuck on a “red” light for months. They will have to wait until there is a vaccine before resuming normal life. This third phase may not be possible until the autumn of next year.
Ministers have been spooked by an “apocalyptic” Treasury report, warning that failure to ease restrictions in “the next few weeks” would mean six out of 10 businesses will be out of cash within 12 weeks. One source said that failure to act would mean “there won’t be anything left of the economy”.
Other countries will have to choose to destroy their economic output or do the same. Things will get moving pretty quickly, supply chains cannot do half way house with Just in Time. It’s either on or off.
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Wrong.
The fastest growing populations are in the least 'globalised' parts of the world.
Man is the only life-form that is actively involved in deliberate nature conservation. And it is the wealthier, more capitalist of man's societies that does the most. All other lifeforms just devour as much as they can.
Cat, pigeons, etc.
Back to the topic. It's difficult. The best is to keep a crew together for as long as possible, then have a significant break before being rostered with someone else. Not many places can do that easily. (Although with present rostering in most airlines right now that is probably no problem at all!)
The fastest growing populations are in the least 'globalised' parts of the world.
Man is the only life-form that is actively involved in deliberate nature conservation. And it is the wealthier, more capitalist of man's societies that does the most. All other lifeforms just devour as much as they can.
Cat, pigeons, etc.
Back to the topic. It's difficult. The best is to keep a crew together for as long as possible, then have a significant break before being rostered with someone else. Not many places can do that easily. (Although with present rostering in most airlines right now that is probably no problem at all!)
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[QUOTE=Trossie;10755249]Wrong.
The fastest growing populations are in the least 'globalised' parts of the world.
Man is the only life-form that is actively involved in deliberate nature conservation. And it is the wealthier, more capitalist of man's societies that does the most. All other lifeforms just devour as much as they can.
Of course there’s no spill over from globalisation, especially from the highly evolved western world that throws away more food than it consumes, especially with all the conservation and all that. The worlds ills are all the fault of the over reproducing third world. Let’s just carry on shall we...Comparing mankind to the greedy natural world is, frankly absurd. As far as we’re aware there’s only one species on the planet that is truly consciously aware. Pigeons you say....I truly want to cry. If you’re a professional pilot surely you can see how fundamentally ridiculous that comparison is...
There are many, many, more educated and informed and vastly more intelligent commentators that are and have been warning for a long time, that the current course that we are on will not end well.
Do I have a pet peeve with the current world capitalist structure? No.....I’m absolutely terrified that we seem to have no idea how to evolve from it....
The fastest growing populations are in the least 'globalised' parts of the world.
Man is the only life-form that is actively involved in deliberate nature conservation. And it is the wealthier, more capitalist of man's societies that does the most. All other lifeforms just devour as much as they can.
Of course there’s no spill over from globalisation, especially from the highly evolved western world that throws away more food than it consumes, especially with all the conservation and all that. The worlds ills are all the fault of the over reproducing third world. Let’s just carry on shall we...Comparing mankind to the greedy natural world is, frankly absurd. As far as we’re aware there’s only one species on the planet that is truly consciously aware. Pigeons you say....I truly want to cry. If you’re a professional pilot surely you can see how fundamentally ridiculous that comparison is...
There are many, many, more educated and informed and vastly more intelligent commentators that are and have been warning for a long time, that the current course that we are on will not end well.
Do I have a pet peeve with the current world capitalist structure? No.....I’m absolutely terrified that we seem to have no idea how to evolve from it....
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[QUOTE=Dark Stanley;10757242]
we start by accepting that a few tens of millions less on the planet at the end of this year is probably no bad thing for the planet.
Unfortunately, the crowd that seem to support locking down the economy and laying a nuclear wasteground to our state finances are usually the same people who bleat on about a lack of anti malarial drugs, inequality and protecting everyone from NCov, no matter what the cost. The two don’t add up. Either you want to “save the planet” (hint, nature doing a pretty good job at the moment) or you want to save everyone. You can’t have both.
Wrong.
The fastest growing populations are in the least 'globalised' parts of the world.
Man is the only life-form that is actively involved in deliberate nature conservation. And it is the wealthier, more capitalist of man's societies that does the most. All other lifeforms just devour as much as they can.
Of course there’s no spill over from globalisation, especially from the highly evolved western world that throws away more food than it consumes, especially with all the conservation and all that. The worlds ills are all the fault of the over reproducing third world. Let’s just carry on shall we...Comparing mankind to the greedy natural world is, frankly absurd. As far as we’re aware there’s only one species on the planet that is truly consciously aware. Pigeons you say....I truly want to cry. If you’re a professional pilot surely you can see how fundamentally ridiculous that comparison is...
There are many, many, more educated and informed and vastly more intelligent commentators that are and have been warning for a long time, that the current course that we are on will not end well.
Do I have a pet peeve with the current world capitalist structure? No.....I’m absolutely terrified that we seem to have no idea how to evolve from it....
The fastest growing populations are in the least 'globalised' parts of the world.
Man is the only life-form that is actively involved in deliberate nature conservation. And it is the wealthier, more capitalist of man's societies that does the most. All other lifeforms just devour as much as they can.
Of course there’s no spill over from globalisation, especially from the highly evolved western world that throws away more food than it consumes, especially with all the conservation and all that. The worlds ills are all the fault of the over reproducing third world. Let’s just carry on shall we...Comparing mankind to the greedy natural world is, frankly absurd. As far as we’re aware there’s only one species on the planet that is truly consciously aware. Pigeons you say....I truly want to cry. If you’re a professional pilot surely you can see how fundamentally ridiculous that comparison is...
There are many, many, more educated and informed and vastly more intelligent commentators that are and have been warning for a long time, that the current course that we are on will not end well.
Do I have a pet peeve with the current world capitalist structure? No.....I’m absolutely terrified that we seem to have no idea how to evolve from it....
Unfortunately, the crowd that seem to support locking down the economy and laying a nuclear wasteground to our state finances are usually the same people who bleat on about a lack of anti malarial drugs, inequality and protecting everyone from NCov, no matter what the cost. The two don’t add up. Either you want to “save the planet” (hint, nature doing a pretty good job at the moment) or you want to save everyone. You can’t have both.
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Absolutely VinRouge. It's all me me me. This chinese bat flu is perhaps doing exactly what is needed. A bit of a population correction. Because therein lies the problem.
I don't know quite how Greta, the anti-vaccine crowd and the rest of their ilk are going to square that circle. But boo hoo.
The me me me and snowflake brigade are going absolutely mental at the moment. We should sit back and relax.
I don't know quite how Greta, the anti-vaccine crowd and the rest of their ilk are going to square that circle. But boo hoo.
The me me me and snowflake brigade are going absolutely mental at the moment. We should sit back and relax.
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As for the situation we find ourselves in, I more concerned for the 100000 poor people now starving to death a day as a result of supply chain lockdowns. The west’s actions are one of the most selfish responses in history - protect those at end of life here whilst the economic impact results in millions starving globally. As well as future reductions in aid as a result
of cost savings to recover national finances.
And easily predictable. Go have a look on the world food programme website.
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we start by accepting that a few tens of millions less on the planet at the end of this year is probably no bad thing for the planet.
ten million equates to about 0.1% of the worlds population. That’s not going to make that much of a difference.
if you want nature in the form of disease and illness to make a real difference then why stop there. Stop the fight against Ebola, stop the cancer treatments, the terrible truth is that for many cancers the 10 year survival rate is 50%. So just delaying the future burden on the economy. Stop antibiotics. The list could go on. Or do you cherry pick the demographic, the most useful?
So ten million die, then what, carry on regardless. It’s like a smoker losing a leg to thrombosis then buying twenty Marlboro on the way out of hospital. Except in this case ten million is like losing a toe nail. But if we carry on then maybe the next loss to mankind may well be a collective leg. The outcome from such an occurrence and indeed carrying on with our current rate of consumption is bleak.
A systematic change is desperately needed, not just a temporary reduction in population...
ten million equates to about 0.1% of the worlds population. That’s not going to make that much of a difference.
if you want nature in the form of disease and illness to make a real difference then why stop there. Stop the fight against Ebola, stop the cancer treatments, the terrible truth is that for many cancers the 10 year survival rate is 50%. So just delaying the future burden on the economy. Stop antibiotics. The list could go on. Or do you cherry pick the demographic, the most useful?
So ten million die, then what, carry on regardless. It’s like a smoker losing a leg to thrombosis then buying twenty Marlboro on the way out of hospital. Except in this case ten million is like losing a toe nail. But if we carry on then maybe the next loss to mankind may well be a collective leg. The outcome from such an occurrence and indeed carrying on with our current rate of consumption is bleak.
A systematic change is desperately needed, not just a temporary reduction in population...
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we start by accepting that a few tens of millions less on the planet at the end of this year is probably no bad thing for the planet.
ten million equates to about 0.1% of the worlds population. That’s not going to make that much of a difference.
if you want nature in the form of disease and illness to make a real difference then why stop there. Stop the fight against Ebola, stop the cancer treatments, the terrible truth is that for many cancers the 10 year survival rate is 50%. So just delaying the future burden on the economy. Stop antibiotics. The list could go on. Or do you cherry pick the demographic, the most useful?
So ten million die, then what, carry on regardless. It’s like a smoker losing a leg to thrombosis then buying twenty Marlboro on the way out of hospital. Except in this case ten million is like losing a toe nail. But if we carry on then maybe the next loss to mankind may well be a collective leg. The outcome from such an occurrence and indeed carrying on with our current rate of consumption is bleak.
A systematic change is desperately needed, not just a temporary reduction in population...
ten million equates to about 0.1% of the worlds population. That’s not going to make that much of a difference.
if you want nature in the form of disease and illness to make a real difference then why stop there. Stop the fight against Ebola, stop the cancer treatments, the terrible truth is that for many cancers the 10 year survival rate is 50%. So just delaying the future burden on the economy. Stop antibiotics. The list could go on. Or do you cherry pick the demographic, the most useful?
So ten million die, then what, carry on regardless. It’s like a smoker losing a leg to thrombosis then buying twenty Marlboro on the way out of hospital. Except in this case ten million is like losing a toe nail. But if we carry on then maybe the next loss to mankind may well be a collective leg. The outcome from such an occurrence and indeed carrying on with our current rate of consumption is bleak.
A systematic change is desperately needed, not just a temporary reduction in population...
edit: worth pointing out that the price of
a barrel of oil on the futures market got down to -37 dollars. If that isn’t a sign of impending doom for the environmentalists, I don’t know
what is. The cost effectiveness of renewables have just been blown out of the water. All secondary effects of this ridiculous shutdown.
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I haven’t missed your point I’m taking it to your logical conclusion. You were the one carrying out Ebola relief and criticising cancer treatment postponements. All pretty pointless in the drive to significant population reduction by nature don’t you think. And that was you too don’t forget.
So I’m a proponent of systemic change, and you propose millions of people dying from basically suffocation. Or maybe there’s a more humane way of reducing population and consumption, I really hope the world has the balls to find a way, for all of us and our children.
So I’m a proponent of systemic change, and you propose millions of people dying from basically suffocation. Or maybe there’s a more humane way of reducing population and consumption, I really hope the world has the balls to find a way, for all of us and our children.
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I wasn’t proposing anything. You read it as that.
Thats what I was getting at when I said
you were missing the point. I think the world is doing fine, certainly not going on about Gaia.
Thats what I was getting at when I said
you were missing the point. I think the world is doing fine, certainly not going on about Gaia.
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So I’m a proponent of systemic change, and you propose millions of people dying from basically suffocation. Or maybe there’s a more humane way of reducing population and consumption, I really hope the world has the balls to find a way, for all of us and our children.
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anyhow, back on thread, a worthy listen to this chap.
https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up...s-from-sweden/
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we start by accepting that a few tens of millions less on the planet at the end of this year is probably no bad thing for the planet.
ok, not proposing, my mistake. Maybe endorsing....
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As for the situation we find ourselves in, I more concerned for the 100000 poor people now starving to death a day as a result of supply chain lockdowns.
Is this no longer a good thing for the planet then? This is where cherry picking leads you to. Among the number you quote above are the sunshine people that would have died anyway. Pesky successful flu jab.....
As for the dreaded “ Greta” slights that inevitably get flung at anyone that agrees with widely accepted scientific reasoning.....well even Clarkson agrees that climate change is a reality.
Short term solutions only only get us so far, if nothing changes it’s out of the frying pan and into the fire....
ok, not proposing, my mistake. Maybe endorsing....
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As for the situation we find ourselves in, I more concerned for the 100000 poor people now starving to death a day as a result of supply chain lockdowns.
Is this no longer a good thing for the planet then? This is where cherry picking leads you to. Among the number you quote above are the sunshine people that would have died anyway. Pesky successful flu jab.....
As for the dreaded “ Greta” slights that inevitably get flung at anyone that agrees with widely accepted scientific reasoning.....well even Clarkson agrees that climate change is a reality.
Short term solutions only only get us so far, if nothing changes it’s out of the frying pan and into the fire....
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..well even Clarkson agrees that climate change is a reality.
It's the causes that are claimed by the extremists that are questionable.
Wealthy capitalist societies have the lowest population growth rates, some even contracting. So there's your answer to overpopulation: more capitalism.
