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Err....
As an ex TCX Captain, 2 months unemployed, then a Flybe Captain, again unemployed, how do you think we feel.
Current on the 330, 320 and Q400 and no prospect of a job. A cut is bad, but no job is worse.
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As an ex TCX Captain, 2 months unemployed, then a Flybe Captain, again unemployed, how do you think we feel.
Current on the 330, 320 and Q400 and no prospect of a job. A cut is bad, but no job is worse.
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I also do not buy into the arguement that because someone has it worse, no one else is allowed to defend their own conditions. Someone is always worse off. Again, that attitude only sends us in one direction.
Sincerely not looking for a fight; just trying to put over a side of the debate that I think should benefit us all
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If we think of it like that we are destined to have all T&Cs degrade to the lowest common denominator as no one will be able to defend themselves because "there is someone else worse off"
The loss of a job is horrifying, especially for a family's breadwinner, and itsonlymeagain is clearly in a terrible situation with my full sympathy. But to use that situation to disable another group from standing up for themselves in the face of harsh treatment seems logically incoherent.
The 'I have it worse than you so consider yourself lucky' argument is only ever going to facilitate a race to the bottom.
easyJet crew deserve your support right now - none of us want to see airlines go bust, but I'd rather not see people being taken advantage of whilst they're in a sticky situation.
It's a great place to work as a pilot, please, let's keep it that way.
easyJet crew deserve your support right now - none of us want to see airlines go bust, but I'd rather not see people being taken advantage of whilst they're in a sticky situation.
It's a great place to work as a pilot, please, let's keep it that way.
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If you actually read it , it’s a significant land grab of previous TCs, and a convenient excuse to get their way.
I sympathise with those who are redundant ( twice before for me, and maybe again ), but I’m not going to work for peanuts because any “ job is better than no job “, will leave nothing worth coming back to.
Aldi paying £9.50 an hour to stack shelves , go do that , until things improve
I sympathise with those who are redundant ( twice before for me, and maybe again ), but I’m not going to work for peanuts because any “ job is better than no job “, will leave nothing worth coming back to.
Aldi paying £9.50 an hour to stack shelves , go do that , until things improve
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I've got to disagree with you here. One person's misfortune or mistreatment doesn't justify the mistreatment of someone else just because it's not as bad.
If we think of it like that we are destined to have all T&Cs degrade to the lowest common denominator as no one will be able to defend themselves because "there is someone else worse off"
The loss of a job is horrifying, especially for a family's breadwinner, and itsonlymeagain is clearly in a terrible situation with my full sympathy. But to use that situation to disable another group from standing up for themselves in the face of harsh treatment seems logically incoherent.
If we think of it like that we are destined to have all T&Cs degrade to the lowest common denominator as no one will be able to defend themselves because "there is someone else worse off"
The loss of a job is horrifying, especially for a family's breadwinner, and itsonlymeagain is clearly in a terrible situation with my full sympathy. But to use that situation to disable another group from standing up for themselves in the face of harsh treatment seems logically incoherent.
All your grandstanding is worth nowt if there is no money
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Surely drastic measures are needed. The worst is yet to come and this country doesn't seem to realise.
This article sums it up pretty well in my view:
https://www.socialist.net/airline-in...t-planning.htm
This article sums it up pretty well in my view:
https://www.socialist.net/airline-in...t-planning.htm
We can certainly expect unprecedented government intervention in the coming weeks to stop the airline industry from plummeting. But we cannot trust the current airline bosses to simply accept government money and continue as if nothing happened.
Instead of simply throwing money at failing businesses, we should take them over completely and have them run for needs, not profits.
Air travel is a vital component of the modern global economy. But capitalism has utterly failed to make this crucial infrastructure run properly. Far from being utopian, therefore, bold socialist measures are the only way out of this crisis - for the airline industry, and for wider society.
Nationalisation should be accompanied by workers’ control: giving power to those who actually run the show, and introducing genuine democracy in the workplace. After all, in the last few days, airline workers have seen the utter incompetence of their managers in dealing with this sector-wide catastrophe.
If the shareholders claim poverty, we say: open the books! Let us check what the accounts say exactly. If the bosses cannot provide for our survival in the coming months, the demand must be for the shareholders to pay for workers’ wages out of their dividends and profits.
Instead of simply throwing money at failing businesses, we should take them over completely and have them run for needs, not profits.
Air travel is a vital component of the modern global economy. But capitalism has utterly failed to make this crucial infrastructure run properly. Far from being utopian, therefore, bold socialist measures are the only way out of this crisis - for the airline industry, and for wider society.
Nationalisation should be accompanied by workers’ control: giving power to those who actually run the show, and introducing genuine democracy in the workplace. After all, in the last few days, airline workers have seen the utter incompetence of their managers in dealing with this sector-wide catastrophe.
If the shareholders claim poverty, we say: open the books! Let us check what the accounts say exactly. If the bosses cannot provide for our survival in the coming months, the demand must be for the shareholders to pay for workers’ wages out of their dividends and profits.
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I’ve got a family member that works in a bar and has just lost their job. They were making £9.20 an hour. Does that mean that EasyJet captains shouldn’t be allowed to ask for anything more than £9.20 an hour as, in your words, ‘a cut is better than no job’ and they should be grateful for keeping their job?
(And I won't listen to any socialist ramblings, when the origin of this current problem was a communist run country.)
Vlieger, you are joking aren’t you! If not, I recommend you transfer to North Korea to enjoy the success of socialism.
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Where is the money coming from? If the customers are gone, so is the money. By all means ask for anything you want, but if the money is not there, then the money is not there and you are unlikely to get it. And I cannot see that the taxpayers, who are under huge strain themselves right now, would be happy to 'bail out' EasyJet captains for their pay. So, Ill ask again: Where is the money coming from?
(And I won't listen to any socialist ramblings, when the origin of this current problem was a communist run country.)
(And I won't listen to any socialist ramblings, when the origin of this current problem was a communist run country.)
The money would most likely come from existing cash positions. In more extreme circumstances it could come from the disposal of assets. If the business is viewed to be viable and profitable in the long term, it could come from some manner of borrowing.
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You have a very confused and short-termist view of how a business operates. You realise x% doesnt roll off the customers credit cards straight into employees payroll?
The money would most likely come from existing cash positions. In more extreme circumstances it could come from the disposal of assets. If the business is viewed to be viable and profitable in the long term, it could come from some manner of borrowing.
The money would most likely come from existing cash positions. In more extreme circumstances it could come from the disposal of assets. If the business is viewed to be viable and profitable in the long term, it could come from some manner of borrowing.
Borrowing? Which bank or institution is going to lend to any airline right now? Banks have pulled the plug on airlines in major crises in the past.
I'm not trying to be unfairly hard on anyone, just trying to correct any "I'm entitled to to my current pay" misconceptions. If the money isn't there you're not 'entitled' to anything.
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I'm thinking far more in long term. Little 'blips' can always be ironed out (e.g. a period of winter snow closing airports and sending things out of kilter). It's the long term wind downs or, even worse, shut downs that will cause the money to dry up.
Borrowing? Which bank or institution is going to lend to any airline right now? Banks have pulled the plug on airlines in major crises in the past.
I'm not trying to be unfairly hard on anyone, just trying to correct any "I'm entitled to to my current pay" misconceptions. If the money isn't there you're not 'entitled' to anything.
Borrowing? Which bank or institution is going to lend to any airline right now? Banks have pulled the plug on airlines in major crises in the past.
I'm not trying to be unfairly hard on anyone, just trying to correct any "I'm entitled to to my current pay" misconceptions. If the money isn't there you're not 'entitled' to anything.
As for who would lend money to airlines; I'd say they have a plethora of credit options should they need them (many don't at this point in time!). Not least, Mr Sunaks latest offerings.
Anyhow, good luck out there. I firmly believe that whats good for one, is good for all in our pilot community. We're all in it together - and I for one will continue commend and support my colleagues standing up for their own rights.
