Totals 2019
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SAS (Stockholm)
A320 FO, 1st year
€43k gross (incl taxable per diem)
583 hours/293 sectors (1,350 hours duty)
Average about 3-4 nights away/ month
First 2,5 months were in training.
5 weeks of unpaid leave (parental), a couple of unpaid sick days.
Pension contribution approximately 4,5%
A320 FO, 1st year
€43k gross (incl taxable per diem)
583 hours/293 sectors (1,350 hours duty)
Average about 3-4 nights away/ month
First 2,5 months were in training.
5 weeks of unpaid leave (parental), a couple of unpaid sick days.
Pension contribution approximately 4,5%
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That is for the highest earning bracket. Income tax brackets go up, SS is 6% up to $133K, and Medicare is 1.2% across the board. So the more you make after $133K the lower the effective tax rate from SS (eff. 3% at $266K income, 2% at $399K, etc). So federal and state income tax goes up, SS goes down, and Medicare stays flat as a percentage of income at higher income totals.
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FO LH (changed from SH in 2019), 7th year
gross= ~120.000CHF (incl. bonus, excl. ~10k per diems & ~20k pension)
SH 9-11 days off per month, 10-15 nightstopps
LH around 4 trips, 12-15 days off
FO LH (changed from SH in 2019), 7th year
gross= ~120.000CHF (incl. bonus, excl. ~10k per diems & ~20k pension)
SH 9-11 days off per month, 10-15 nightstopps
LH around 4 trips, 12-15 days off
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All the americans have little to brag, because we all remember not many years ago when a regional FO was making less than 20k USD gross. Less than the receptionist mentioned above.
They make more in good times, but when s**t hits the fan, furloughs and pay cuts hit much harder on that side of the pond.
And I would rather be unemployed in good old europe, compared to the states.
They make more in good times, but when s**t hits the fan, furloughs and pay cuts hit much harder on that side of the pond.
And I would rather be unemployed in good old europe, compared to the states.
having been unemployed on both sides of the pond, I can tell you it’s equally painful on both sides. That said, in Europe it’s often misunderstood that there is actually an unemployment benefit in the US. It’s changed a lot in Europe too. In Germany (for example) you receive a lot less and for a shorter time, than was historically received. In France it might still be the best place to be unemployed... I’m not sure. In any case, I don’t find much value in your post and I’m wondering if I misunderstood your point. I wish the best for pilots everywhere! Let us all see improvements in our profession.
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12 yr wide body FO cargo US. Gross $339k (includes company $33k into retirement and per diem) worked 13 days a month. I worked some extra trips when called... which they did call.
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It goes both ways. Hard to compare net salary as it's not apples to apples.
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easyJet Captain continental base.
187,000 € including flight pay, but excluding a pitiful 5.5% pension.
650 block hours in the last year, 12-13 days off per month with fixed roster pattern plus 30 days annual leave.
No nightstops except for twice to the sim per year.
187,000 € including flight pay, but excluding a pitiful 5.5% pension.
650 block hours in the last year, 12-13 days off per month with fixed roster pattern plus 30 days annual leave.
No nightstops except for twice to the sim per year.
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I used to say we both have stability and the rule of law, but that’s now a bit crazy! Austria has has some right wing nuts, the UK is going through a bit of what the US is going through. And France is... well, France! It’s crazy times!
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Also worth bearing in mind c.10-11 years ago the USD/GBP fx rate was c.2.1/1 on what was then considerably lower salaries across the board in the US combined with considerable furloughs/uncertainty.
As somebody else alluded to; element of apples and oranges and I remain hopeful the pendulum will swing back a bit at some point!
As somebody else alluded to; element of apples and oranges and I remain hopeful the pendulum will swing back a bit at some point!
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zero/zero, I fully agree. You can earn what your customers can afford you to earn. In some places they can afford less and it is cheaper to live there, then you will earn less. As simple as that. In some stages of economic cycles your customers can afford less so you will earn less. Your expertise is only valuable when it is in short supply. When the economic cycle, or whatever other factor comes into play, results in there being too many with your expertise, you will earn less. Ask pilots at Thomas Cook, Monarch, Astraeus, Baby, Gill ... ... Dan Air, Orion,etc., etc. And looking further afield, Primera, Wow, Air Berlin, Sabena, Swissair, Pan Am, TWA, Braniff and so on and on and on. When the money dries up your 'expertise' is worth nowt. As you pointed out, it's market forces dear boy, market forces.
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Cathay Dragon (Hong Kong based)
A330
Captain
Expat B Contract
Just over HKD3,000,000 including housing and school fees.
8-11 G days per month
10 weeks leave by attaching days off to leave (set to reduce to 6-7 we hear in 2021, no more attaching days off to leave)
Lots of change coming
Don't care though, resigning soon, money bucket has enough in it, **** bucket filling up rapidly!
Avoid joining on current contracts....
Glad to be on my way soon.
A330
Captain
Expat B Contract
Just over HKD3,000,000 including housing and school fees.
8-11 G days per month
10 weeks leave by attaching days off to leave (set to reduce to 6-7 we hear in 2021, no more attaching days off to leave)
Lots of change coming
Don't care though, resigning soon, money bucket has enough in it, **** bucket filling up rapidly!
Avoid joining on current contracts....
Glad to be on my way soon.
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easyJet
RHS A320 regional base
Net pay for 2019 was £45K however I only started getting sector pay midway into the year so the tax year (Apr 19- Apr 20) will be nearer to £49K
720 hours
No nightstops
RHS A320 regional base
Net pay for 2019 was £45K however I only started getting sector pay midway into the year so the tax year (Apr 19- Apr 20) will be nearer to £49K
720 hours
No nightstops
easyJet, London base
4+ years, take home average £4500/month (bond scheme), 7% pension
650 hours, fixed pattern, 12/13 DO per month plus 25 days leave
3 nightstops in more than 4 years.
4+ years, take home average £4500/month (bond scheme), 7% pension
650 hours, fixed pattern, 12/13 DO per month plus 25 days leave
3 nightstops in more than 4 years.