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Having been an observer and occasional contributor; the general theme has ALWAYS revolved around money, “weekend’s off”, lifestyle, toxic people, etc. You never achieved anything from your bickering, just stayed where you were (predominantly) and bash more. Those who called others moaners and toxic are THOSE people! Thought you folks just needed to be grateful. But making that comment would get one into considerable trouble.
Anyway, maybe now you’ll be glad you have/had a “flying” job and not ACTUALLY have to retrain or resume an old career as this is most likely for some of you HERE. No doubt you are more worried about your bills than your working conditions which probably weren’t so terrible after all, people. The question on most minds now is;
”why should (airline) keep me (over Joe/Jane Bloggs)? ‘They will keep me because I’m this, that and the other and been around for donkeys years.’”
Don’t get me wrong.... I only wish you all the best and continue your flying careers. But it is entertaining to read your comments on manufacturing that holy grail flying job - captain here, captain there, SH vs LH, etc. Never considered losing your job. BA is as good Virgin, EZY is as good as TUI, RYR is as good as JET2.. you’re flying a jet (I’m sure you miss that NOW no matter what you say). You rather be a pilot than that lorry driver which gets great pay.
OK, ready for you. Still have plenty of love for all aviators.
Anyway, maybe now you’ll be glad you have/had a “flying” job and not ACTUALLY have to retrain or resume an old career as this is most likely for some of you HERE. No doubt you are more worried about your bills than your working conditions which probably weren’t so terrible after all, people. The question on most minds now is;
”why should (airline) keep me (over Joe/Jane Bloggs)? ‘They will keep me because I’m this, that and the other and been around for donkeys years.’”
Don’t get me wrong.... I only wish you all the best and continue your flying careers. But it is entertaining to read your comments on manufacturing that holy grail flying job - captain here, captain there, SH vs LH, etc. Never considered losing your job. BA is as good Virgin, EZY is as good as TUI, RYR is as good as JET2.. you’re flying a jet (I’m sure you miss that NOW no matter what you say). You rather be a pilot than that lorry driver which gets great pay.
OK, ready for you. Still have plenty of love for all aviators.
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Having been an observer and occasional contributor; the general theme has ALWAYS revolved around money, “weekend’s off”, lifestyle, toxic people, etc. You never achieved anything from your bickering, just stayed where you were (predominantly) and bash more. Those who called others moaners and toxic are THOSE people! Thought you folks just needed to be grateful. But making that comment would get one into considerable trouble.
Anyway, maybe now you’ll be glad you have/had a “flying” job and not ACTUALLY have to retrain or resume an old career as this is most likely for some of you HERE. No doubt you are more worried about your bills than your working conditions which probably weren’t so terrible after all, people. The question on most minds now is;
”why should (airline) keep me (over Joe/Jane Bloggs)? ‘They will keep me because I’m this, that and the other and been around for donkeys years.’”
Don’t get me wrong.... I only wish you all the best and continue your flying careers. But it is entertaining to read your comments on manufacturing that holy grail flying job - captain here, captain there, SH vs LH, etc. Never considered losing your job. BA is as good Virgin, EZY is as good as TUI, RYR is as good as JET2.. you’re flying a jet (I’m sure you miss that NOW no matter what you say). You rather be a pilot than that lorry driver which gets great pay.
OK, ready for you. Still have plenty of love for all aviators.
Anyway, maybe now you’ll be glad you have/had a “flying” job and not ACTUALLY have to retrain or resume an old career as this is most likely for some of you HERE. No doubt you are more worried about your bills than your working conditions which probably weren’t so terrible after all, people. The question on most minds now is;
”why should (airline) keep me (over Joe/Jane Bloggs)? ‘They will keep me because I’m this, that and the other and been around for donkeys years.’”
Don’t get me wrong.... I only wish you all the best and continue your flying careers. But it is entertaining to read your comments on manufacturing that holy grail flying job - captain here, captain there, SH vs LH, etc. Never considered losing your job. BA is as good Virgin, EZY is as good as TUI, RYR is as good as JET2.. you’re flying a jet (I’m sure you miss that NOW no matter what you say). You rather be a pilot than that lorry driver which gets great pay.
OK, ready for you. Still have plenty of love for all aviators.
No they are not all the same, at all. And even you as an outsider can see quite clearly how differently companies are treating they’re employees in this sad times we’re in.
If you ever tried flying 4 legs in all kinds of weather waking up at 4 a.m. for 4/5 days in a row, for 15/20 years, I can promise you you too would have something to say. Not that you’d ever experience it anyway.
If it all ends tomorrow at least we’ve done it.
I suspect more than a few will end up in not-so-desirable alternative careers but such is life.
It still doesn’t justify the ridiculous rostering and contractual practices we got to, nicely balanced by managers cashing millions of pounds every year from their comfortable offices conveniently hidden from any CBs WS lightning strikes and so on.
But then again no one really knows anything at this stage, well wait and see what happens. If people are to fly again though, I suspect my and many others’ services will be welcome in a couple of years.
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Having been an observer and occasional contributor; the general theme has ALWAYS revolved around money, “weekend’s off”, lifestyle, toxic people, etc. You never achieved anything from your bickering, just stayed where you were (predominantly) and bash more. Those who called others moaners and toxic are THOSE people! Thought you folks just needed to be grateful. But making that comment would get one into considerable trouble.
Anyway, maybe now you’ll be glad you have/had a “flying” job and not ACTUALLY have to retrain or resume an old career as this is most likely for some of you HERE. No doubt you are more worried about your bills than your working conditions which probably weren’t so terrible after all, people. The question on most minds now is;
”why should (airline) keep me (over Joe/Jane Bloggs)? ‘They will keep me because I’m this, that and the other and been around for donkeys years.’”
Don’t get me wrong.... I only wish you all the best and continue your flying careers. But it is entertaining to read your comments on manufacturing that holy grail flying job - captain here, captain there, SH vs LH, etc. Never considered losing your job. BA is as good Virgin, EZY is as good as TUI, RYR is as good as JET2.. you’re flying a jet (I’m sure you miss that NOW no matter what you say). You rather be a pilot than that lorry driver which gets great pay.
OK, ready for you. Still have plenty of love for all aviators.
Anyway, maybe now you’ll be glad you have/had a “flying” job and not ACTUALLY have to retrain or resume an old career as this is most likely for some of you HERE. No doubt you are more worried about your bills than your working conditions which probably weren’t so terrible after all, people. The question on most minds now is;
”why should (airline) keep me (over Joe/Jane Bloggs)? ‘They will keep me because I’m this, that and the other and been around for donkeys years.’”
Don’t get me wrong.... I only wish you all the best and continue your flying careers. But it is entertaining to read your comments on manufacturing that holy grail flying job - captain here, captain there, SH vs LH, etc. Never considered losing your job. BA is as good Virgin, EZY is as good as TUI, RYR is as good as JET2.. you’re flying a jet (I’m sure you miss that NOW no matter what you say). You rather be a pilot than that lorry driver which gets great pay.
OK, ready for you. Still have plenty of love for all aviators.
I think you will find Pilots are pretty adaptable people.. Plan A, B, C etc incase the brown stuff hits the fan. Oh and I already have the wheels in motion to apply for a HGV licence..
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No, not drunk. What a waste of time that is. Good luck with HGV’s. Fingers crossed you remain in aviation though.
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Yeah, not frustrated. I am flying. Just pointed out the constant droning of “in-house” chatter amongst the major players. Yes, I am an outsider through choice. I did get through the waterside selection in the past.
You commented “not that I’d experience it anyway”. You have no idea. But anyway, I’m quite confident you’ll be back saying “AP1”! Or maybe “AP2” ha!
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3RDi, something you should probably take into account is the number of people who complain in posts on PPRuNe compared with the number of people who work as commercial pilots. You'll quickly appreciate that the overwhelming majority of pilots are not here complaining. They may well be moaning about this, that, or the other to their colleague during a long cruise, but most of us enjoy what we do, and realise the privileged position we are (or have, until recently, been) in.
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All recruitment, unsurprisingly, indefinitely canceled. Straight from the horse's mouth over the phone after reaching the end of the process.
Told to maybe get back in touch towards the end of the year to see if the situation improves.
Told to maybe get back in touch towards the end of the year to see if the situation improves.
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Sorry to revive and old thread but couldn’t find info anywhere else and this seemed the most relevant.
Knowing that most airlines have taken Covid as an opportunity to attack pilot conditions, and that recruitment seems more and more likely to re-open. I’d like to get a better idea of what the conditions at virgin are like post-covid to make a fresh comparison as I’m guessing some of the 2019 info above is out of date.
Could anyone please shed some light of what’s changed and what the conditions are like now please?
Notably:
Pay, Pensions & Overtime
Scheduling
Culture/Atmosphere at work
Thanks in advance
Knowing that most airlines have taken Covid as an opportunity to attack pilot conditions, and that recruitment seems more and more likely to re-open. I’d like to get a better idea of what the conditions at virgin are like post-covid to make a fresh comparison as I’m guessing some of the 2019 info above is out of date.
Could anyone please shed some light of what’s changed and what the conditions are like now please?
Notably:
Pay, Pensions & Overtime
Scheduling
Culture/Atmosphere at work
Thanks in advance
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ChickenRiceAndPeas - also interested - Virgin apparently will have 787 courses starting in October.
I'd like to know their pay scales and rosters (the basic will be £63500) can anyone advise how much flight pay is? How long do you get down route etc
I'm currently in a LCC, and really want to try long haul
If anyone can help please?
I'd like to know their pay scales and rosters (the basic will be £63500) can anyone advise how much flight pay is? How long do you get down route etc
I'm currently in a LCC, and really want to try long haul
If anyone can help please?
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if you can but only via DM, I’d really appreciate a similar overview of the situation. The fact virgin is no longer on ppjn makes a comparison even harder
