BA to Virgin

[3Greens]

Originally Posted by bex88

It would encourage people to take commands as they become available. It would solve the short haul P1 issue and potentially free up a more natural progression. That or leave it as it is and make long haul commands all Not suitable for first command.

what you actually mean is it would benefit you, at this precise moment in time.

[3Greens]

What you actually mean, is that It would benefit you.

[Riskybis]

Originally Posted by SissySkinner

My biggest concern for Virgin over BA is probably the routes, the network doesn’t seem to be that big anymore. Can any airbus guys comment on this? With a long career still ahead of me I’m slightly worried I would get bored of doing the same 15 or so LH routes over and over again.

this is true , i had a look at my logbook yesterday and I have been to LA 21 time last year ! Basically twice a month (good job I prefer west coast) ! I don’t mind it though as 787 does the decent routes much like the BA 380 , although São Paulo will be interesting next
year ......

[GS-Alpha]

What is the short haul P1 issue, and why is it an issue?

[HardLanding1]

Also, is Breakfast included at the hotels with VS? I was shocked when I found out BA doesn't pay for breakfast and it's not like it pays any more in expenses

[Jumbo2]

Originally Posted by 3Greens

What you actually mean, is that It would benefit you.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[bex88]

Actually for me it would make no difference what so ever. I am quite comfortable with my position, deal and circumstance. You only have to listen to FO’s who have no interest in a command because of pay and rostering. There needs to be an incentive to get people moving forwards within the airline. The SH command issue is well known and we see ok bids for pilots with less than the minimum required experience. On the other hand we have very capable experienced pilots sitting in the RHS who could offer a lot more to BA than they currently do. It’s not their fault but the system. I would keep a open mind to how this could be rectified but strict seniority does not work.

What would suit me? Not sure really but I must be happy enough otherwise there are other options outside of BA.

Jet2, EZY, Virgin etc.....they all seem to have benefits and draw backs.

[GS-Alpha]

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123

Agree but the pay scale needs adjusting. We all know SH FOs declining LHS. I couldn’t believe my mate said no but when he said honestly 4 years in on SH and he gets a fair amount of weekends off. The poor pay increase plus associated lack of seniority isn’t worth it to him.

We all know 18 year FOs who are declining short haul commands by not bidding for them (I was one of them), and at that paypoint it is a decent payrise and they would be senior. (They are also taking a pay freeze until they do actually accept a command). It is not really about the money or the seniority. If you are a 4 year short haul FO declining a LHS, you are simply looking towards long haul in a year’s time, rather than freezing yourself on short haul for another 5 years. What is wrong with that? I have not heard of any short haul P1 supply issue, if that is what you are suggesting?

[GS-Alpha]

There is already building pressure on ex-NAPS FOs to take short haul commands, with the pension transition period ending in 2023. I expect short haul commands to start going pretty senior starting from 2021/22. People will be holding out for the hope of a long haul command just at the moment, but the more junior NAPS FOs will start jumping to short haul through fear that they will not have the seniority for it in the mad rush as 2023 approaches.

[3Greens]

Originally Posted by bex88

Actually for me it would make no difference what so ever. I am quite comfortable with my position, deal and circumstance. You only have to listen to FO’s who have no interest in a command because of pay and rostering. There needs to be an incentive to get people moving forwards within the airline. The SH command issue is well known and we see ok bids for pilots with less than the minimum required experience. On the other hand we have very capable experienced pilots sitting in the RHS who could offer a lot more to BA than they currently do. It’s not their fault but the system. I would keep a open mind to how this could be rectified but strict seniority does not work.

What would suit me? Not sure really but I must be happy enough otherwise there are other options outside of BA.

Jet2, EZY, Virgin etc.....they all seem to have benefits and draw backs.

sure there’s one or two who say they’ll stay RHS and it’s their prerogative to do so. Nowhere does it say one MUST take a command.
You only have to glance at the bid packs for all fleets for jan and feb to see that your hypothesis is largely unfounded and at best wild speculation. There are many faults at BA, but choice of seats and commands (and when to take them) are the biggest plus, I don’t see any appetite to change it, apart from the “I want it now” brigade.

[Reversethrustset]

I took a DEC at Ezy instead of BA longhaul. The driving force for me was I'd probably never see a LH command and the SH command pay scale is abysmal. I'd have to be something like a year 15 BA pilot to earn what ezy pays from day 1 for effectively doing the same job, flying the same aircraft. It was a no brainer.

[bex88]

It just seems like there is a problem when pay and or lifestyle on SH is so unappealing that people choose to delay or avoid command. Granted there is merit in SH FO’s not bidding to go LH as they are enjoying the seniority. Perhaps more tweaks to JSS could help......or maybe not as everyone will be rostered under global constraints. For what it’s worth I benefited from the 2016 junior commands, the extra pay allows me to arrange my home life so that weekend working is less of a problem and when I am off so too is my wife.

Anyway.....BA to Virgin? I am not brave enough so I will just do what pilots do best and moan. ��

[The Blu Riband]

Originally Posted by bex88

BA to Virgin? I am not brave enough so I will just do what pilots do best and moan. ��

You never stop moaning

[bex88]

Same **** different day.......maybe that’s why.

I say it as I see it.

[GS-Alpha]

It just seems like there is a problem when pay and or lifestyle on SH is so unappealing that people choose to delay or avoid command.

How do you the draw the conclusion that they are the reasons why people do not want the earliest possible short haul command? They are probably some people’s reasons, but there are a whole host of reasons why people make their choices. People have got 30 year plus careers, maybe they want to experience a bit of career variety? Why do you think something is wrong just because not everyone wants to make the same career choices as you? We are all different and we all have our own desires and aspirations. Why would you want to introduce any kind of additional stick to cajole people down one particular pathway? Surely the beauty of BA is that people are free to make these choices?

[The Blu Riband]

Originally Posted by bex88

Same **** different day.......maybe that’s why.

You chose:
to become a pilot
to join BA
to take an asap SH command

You could have changed fleets and be a LH FO and have some seniority like the many colleagues you assume don't want a SH job as its so terrible.
Whereas they may actually be on LH because they like it!

[GKOC41]

Originally Posted by bex88

Same **** different day.......maybe that’s why. I say it as I see it.

Just missed the highly paid to do

[GetTheQRH]

Do anyone know what the current Year 1 Basic Salary + Flight Pay is at Virgin these days, and if a B-Payscale for new entrants has been put in place yet?
PilotJobsNetwork is running a bit thin on details at the moment

[Busdriver01]

Has anybody actually heard from zenon ?

[one day soon]

Originally Posted by The Blu Riband

You never stop moaning

HaHa from one of the most bigoted opinionated pilots at BA.
Your post history is littered with random rude and arrogant posts on many a subject.

I hope Bex gives your words the same disregard as those who meet you on the line do!