Why don’t many low cost airlines offer ZED fares or ID90s

[Intrance]

Originally Posted by giggitygiggity

That's not true, there could easily be quite a large imbalance between loss of revenue...

For example. many would want a Virgin Atlantic/Easyjet travel swap. The Virgin guy could reasonbly commute on easyjet easyjet staff travel (upto 2 flights a week?) but for the easyjet guy, it would just be for a holiday maybe once a year on Virgin.

If the VA guy is using easyjet twice a week, that's potentially a massive loss in revenue at easyjet. Of course, staff travel swaps would probably account for most of those circumstances anyway but it would certainly be a net loss for easyjet.

The point of standby tickets is that you are not going if there is no empty seat for you (jumpseat rides excluded)... How is there a loss in revenue if the seat is otherwise empty, or better put, not sold? In case of a jumpseat ride it is even extra revenue as you usually can't sell that seat (until one of the LCCs catches on to that idea ).

[hunterboy]

How do certain ID90 travellers seem to avoid paying APD and PSC from the London terminals? In many cases that dwarfs the cost of the ticket that the airline receives.

[bringbackthe80s]

They don’t offer that (and many other things for that matter) because they do not care about employees one bit, not so hard to work out.

[CaptainJim]

Originally Posted by Intrance

The point of standby tickets is that you are not going if there is no empty seat for you (jumpseat rides excluded)... How is there a loss in revenue if the seat is otherwise empty, or better put, not sold? In case of a jumpseat ride it is even extra revenue as you usually can't sell that seat (until one of the LCCs catches on to that idea ).

It seems to be a difficult concept for the LOCO pilots to grasp. Really they’re just trying to justify the reason that don’t have access to ZED fares by knocking them. I’m sure staff travel at Wizz Air and EasyJet is much better than ZED fares.

[Tinstaafl]

Working for a UK Oneworld airline I had:
* ID90 standby on any Oneworld flight
* Could buy ID90 tickets for multiple routes to my destination & return, and get a full refund for unused tickets when I got back. (We also had a BA reservations PC in our office so when it wasn't being used I could hop on and look at flights and predicted/historical loadings ;-) ).
* ZED confirmed seat with other carriers
* Applied to spouse/partner etc

Working for a US airline - also Oneworld - I have:

* Free standby travel on any company/company branded flight ie mainline + regional partners.
* 6 per year higher priority standby tickets (full route to destination, with even higher priority for connections)
​​​​​​* ZED standby on other carriers
* above applies to spouse/partner, kids, parents.
* Cockpit jumpseat/spare cabin seat with pretty much every US carrier. JS priorities apply to own company, wholly owned subsidiary, contractor, or other.


I really missed staff travel in the period between UK airline and US airline employment.

[rog747]

The whole point of Loco carriers was to keep costs down, so they have no interline agreements for staff or duty travel nor any agreements with legacy airlines for through ticketing/interlining baggage etc
Thus any staff travel on Loco is for in-house staff only.

The days of everyone helping each other out on staff travel and/or mutual aid is dwindling but some carriers are still very nice to staff - In the main BA TUI and Virgin still look after staff I find.

[giggitygiggity]

Originally Posted by Intrance

The point of standby tickets is that you are not going if there is no empty seat for you (jumpseat rides excluded)... How is there a loss in revenue if the seat is otherwise empty, or better put, not sold? In case of a jumpseat ride it is even extra revenue as you usually can't sell that seat (until one of the LCCs catches on to that idea ).

I didn't say the seat would be empty. The commuter or holidayer will instead buy the ticket for a modest amount (hopefully still affordable as it's lowcost after all). For easyjet, nobody but operating/positioning crew can sit on a jumpseat so that wouldn't make any difference. If they did allow it, it would be £5 earned by the airline which would probably just about break even for the cost of fuel/time processing them.

Originally Posted by CaptainJim

It seems to be a difficult concept for the LOCO pilots to grasp. Really they’re just trying to justify the reason that don’t have access to ZED fares by knocking them. I’m sure staff travel at Wizz Air and EasyJet is much better than ZED fares.

I've got staff travel arrangements with 2 other major British airlines which is nice, but a hell of a lot more stressful when using rather than my companies internal scheme which usually involves confirmed tickets with the same rights as any other full fare paying passenger.

[sarah737]

Originally Posted by giggitygiggity

That's not true, there could easily be quite a large imbalance between loss of revenue...

For example. many would want a Virgin Atlantic/Easyjet travel swap. The Virgin guy could reasonbly commute on easyjet easyjet staff travel (upto 2 flights a week?) but for the easyjet guy, it would just be for a holiday maybe once a year on Virgin.
....
I realise that it's lovely to have reciprocal travel arrangements in place, but that kind of undermines the entire stratagy of low-cost, which is to disrupt/defeat the legacy carriers legacy.

If your company pays, a modest fee, you can have access to myID tickets, there is no need for reciprocal arrangements. We have access by paying, without offering anything. The only reason you don’t have them is because easyJet refuses to pay for it.

Many years ago, I worked for easyJet and the “confirmed staff travel’, was nothing more than standby as you were the first one to be kicked off, in case of overbooking, without any rights whatsoever.
They was also no staff travel after retirement at easyJet.