Jet2, Tui Or Ryanair?
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Personally I love the balance of 2-3 nights away every week versus the rest of the week at home with the wife and kids.
I think I’d go mad if I was stuck at home every night. It’s always nice to have a change of scenery even if it’s just for 24-48 hrs, especially when it’s a miserable, cold, dark and wet winter in the U.K.
Plus being away makes me miss the family and look forward to seeing them again.
I think I’d go mad if I was stuck at home every night. It’s always nice to have a change of scenery even if it’s just for 24-48 hrs, especially when it’s a miserable, cold, dark and wet winter in the U.K.
Plus being away makes me miss the family and look forward to seeing them again.
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I think it’s quite a mature response to someone who spends so much effort telling us how little he likes his job.
I get your point about not always wanting to meet up and sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t depending on how my/our rest is going.
If you get to the hating it all stage then move on if that’s possible and if not don’t take it out on your colleagues.
All of which is slightly hijacking the thread for which I apologise.
I get your point about not always wanting to meet up and sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t depending on how my/our rest is going.
If you get to the hating it all stage then move on if that’s possible and if not don’t take it out on your colleagues.
All of which is slightly hijacking the thread for which I apologise.
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deltahotel is spot on about meeting up or not when away. But I would not enjoy working together with anyone who hates the job so that their attitude is
... this job is about making as much money as possible as quickly as possible so I don't have to do it for a moment longer than absolutely necessary ...
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This thread is hilarious!
Just to confirm, different people like different things, appreciate the perks of different jobs to others, and have different priorities.... surely not!
Just to confirm, different people like different things, appreciate the perks of different jobs to others, and have different priorities.... surely not!
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Ok guys, this my dad is bigger than your dad, I have a bigger willy etc contest is pointless and ridiculous.
Yes I work for Jet2, very happy with the way we have been treated during these awful times. I am a happy bunny, mainly as I like the lifestyle and the ease of my job here. TUI has a lot of attractions for some people for different reasons, BA / Virgin the same.
What is becoming apparent in these unusual times are who the decent employers are. Who looks after their employees and which airlines are looking to take advantage of this situation to batter T @ Cs.
Lets all hope at the other side of this we all have a job that we are happy with and life can get back to some kind of normality.
Yes I work for Jet2, very happy with the way we have been treated during these awful times. I am a happy bunny, mainly as I like the lifestyle and the ease of my job here. TUI has a lot of attractions for some people for different reasons, BA / Virgin the same.
What is becoming apparent in these unusual times are who the decent employers are. Who looks after their employees and which airlines are looking to take advantage of this situation to batter T @ Cs.
Lets all hope at the other side of this we all have a job that we are happy with and life can get back to some kind of normality.
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I’d like to first say I don’t work at any of the 3 airlines mentioned and I hope nobody take offence to me adding to this thread. I did work for Thomson for 3 years but was made redundant in the 2010 event. Last in, last out which I fully agree with. I totally enjoyed working there and would have never left. Great company back then, I don’t know about now but I still have friends there who are very happy. I also have friends working at Jet2 who are also happy. Ryanair, I don’t know anyone there.
With reference to the title of the thread, Jet2, Tui Or Ryanair, I would not work for Ryanair unless I had to, and chances are I wouldn’t bother unless it was financially beneficial to me and was at a base I could survive at. I think I would just not bother and go back to truck driving or working in the Far East on an Airbus which is what I’m current on at present.
So regarding Tui or Jet2
For me it would be all about lifestyle, income, job satisfaction, job security and basing.
I remember many years ago whilst working on the ramp before I qualified, I managed to organise a jumpseat observation flight with a Britannia base Captain. As they had an amazing colour scheme that gave the impression of a wonderful company to work for, I asked him what he thought of the new colour scheme that they were in the process of changing to, the light blue Thomson.co.uk colour scheme. His reply was he did not give a **** as long as his job, terms and conditions and lifestyle did not change. Initially I was shocked but many years later I now fully understand what he meant.
If I did work for BA, the prestige of saying I worked for BA means nothing to me. Who the hell wants to live anywhere near London and work out of LHR. If you’re from down that neck of the woods, then fair enough, but why would anyone want to move down there from their home area. For me only if it was the last option. Would I be ashamed to say I work for either Tui or Jet2, no I wouldn’t. I’d work for either but as we know, it depends on if you’re a FO or Captain who you would aim for. I would go from present Captain to FO at TUI if I had to, but if an opportunity of DEC at Jet2 was there, I would take that as a priority.
As for long haul. If you’re young and want to see the world, then happy for you, but when you get to the wrong side of 50, spending hours on end in a tin can to spend around 20 hours free time down route for a few beers and a steak is not glamorous at all. I’d rather be at home with family or in a pub with real friends. That’s my own personal preference. You want long haul ? crack on with it and very happy for you if you can get what you desire. Loads aimed for Virgin because they wanted long haul.
If you have a job that pays well, nice routes, you’re happy, job security and at a preferred base, then we have to be very grateful. Having to take a job in another part of the world can be stressful and demanding on a family, I know.
Regarding the above post reference we’re better than you ? I do actually know guys who have left each Tui for Jet2 and vice versa. It’s not all one way and good luck to them for their reasons.
Pay, happiness, lifestyle, base. Job security.
My thoughts are with all that have still not found a job since Monarch, TCX and Flybe’s demise, especially those with a totally waste of time rating and maybe outstanding loans ie MPLs.
Good luck to all crews in all UK companies during the coming months/year.
With reference to the title of the thread, Jet2, Tui Or Ryanair, I would not work for Ryanair unless I had to, and chances are I wouldn’t bother unless it was financially beneficial to me and was at a base I could survive at. I think I would just not bother and go back to truck driving or working in the Far East on an Airbus which is what I’m current on at present.
So regarding Tui or Jet2
For me it would be all about lifestyle, income, job satisfaction, job security and basing.
I remember many years ago whilst working on the ramp before I qualified, I managed to organise a jumpseat observation flight with a Britannia base Captain. As they had an amazing colour scheme that gave the impression of a wonderful company to work for, I asked him what he thought of the new colour scheme that they were in the process of changing to, the light blue Thomson.co.uk colour scheme. His reply was he did not give a **** as long as his job, terms and conditions and lifestyle did not change. Initially I was shocked but many years later I now fully understand what he meant.
If I did work for BA, the prestige of saying I worked for BA means nothing to me. Who the hell wants to live anywhere near London and work out of LHR. If you’re from down that neck of the woods, then fair enough, but why would anyone want to move down there from their home area. For me only if it was the last option. Would I be ashamed to say I work for either Tui or Jet2, no I wouldn’t. I’d work for either but as we know, it depends on if you’re a FO or Captain who you would aim for. I would go from present Captain to FO at TUI if I had to, but if an opportunity of DEC at Jet2 was there, I would take that as a priority.
As for long haul. If you’re young and want to see the world, then happy for you, but when you get to the wrong side of 50, spending hours on end in a tin can to spend around 20 hours free time down route for a few beers and a steak is not glamorous at all. I’d rather be at home with family or in a pub with real friends. That’s my own personal preference. You want long haul ? crack on with it and very happy for you if you can get what you desire. Loads aimed for Virgin because they wanted long haul.
If you have a job that pays well, nice routes, you’re happy, job security and at a preferred base, then we have to be very grateful. Having to take a job in another part of the world can be stressful and demanding on a family, I know.
Regarding the above post reference we’re better than you ? I do actually know guys who have left each Tui for Jet2 and vice versa. It’s not all one way and good luck to them for their reasons.
Pay, happiness, lifestyle, base. Job security.
My thoughts are with all that have still not found a job since Monarch, TCX and Flybe’s demise, especially those with a totally waste of time rating and maybe outstanding loans ie MPLs.
Good luck to all crews in all UK companies during the coming months/year.
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Very accurate! One thing though, if you do LH you can live wherever you want. Which is a great advantage I believe. I live 3 hours away from base, would never be able to do that on short haul. LH can be a great lifestyle, on part time even better.
“As for long haul. If you’re young and want to see the world, then happy for you, but when you get to the wrong side of 50, spending hours on end in a tin can to spend around 20 hours free time down route for a few beers and a steak is not glamorous at all.”
BP, speak for yourself! I’m the wrong side of 60 and the chance to get away (and my job) suddenly disappeared last September. Life is not so much of a beach any more.
BP, speak for yourself! I’m the wrong side of 60 and the chance to get away (and my job) suddenly disappeared last September. Life is not so much of a beach any more.
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Really sorry to hear that. I would have also done long haul had there been no other option. If an option, I’d rather not.
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BP. I have no complaints and fortunate to have been an oldie when the edifice collapsed. Having got away with defying gravity for a brilliant 46 years, I was probably on borrowed time!
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A thing to remember in this job is that gravity always wins! Our job is to ensure a 'score draw'.
(Off topic a bit again, with current situation the nightstopping is not quite so enjoyable right now. But I suppose it beats not nightstopping. Read that however you wish.)
(Off topic a bit again, with current situation the nightstopping is not quite so enjoyable right now. But I suppose it beats not nightstopping. Read that however you wish.)
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Now confirmed TUI to fire 8000 in their organisation. Any preliminary idea how this will affect their pilots? I know TUI already got rid of several pilots who had started with them in march/april.
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8000 is 12% of the Summer head count, more like 15% of the current Winter one. There is at the minute no plans to reduce pilot headcount however I personally am expecting it as we took on 100+ purely for this Summer which won’t be needed.
No body knows at the minute though as the airlines react to the needs of the holiday side of the business and they haven’t decided about future schedules yet. We may get away with no redundancies if Winter sun goes crazy... who knows
This by the way is just my opinion, I don’t have any insider knowledge.
No body knows at the minute though as the airlines react to the needs of the holiday side of the business and they haven’t decided about future schedules yet. We may get away with no redundancies if Winter sun goes crazy... who knows
This by the way is just my opinion, I don’t have any insider knowledge.
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As the dust is now settling after the first stages of the impact to the wider aviation community, the three airlines are, as it stands still in business. All three are now flying again in a fashion.
I cannot speak for Ryanair or Jet2, although I have friends at both I’ve never worked for either.
TUI I know first hand, have worked with the trade union, held a ballot on taking a pay and work cut for a period of time. The deal was agreed by Management and by BALPA then put to the vote. The vote had a good turn out and a high vote to accept the deal that had been thrashed out.
Its not a perfect place to be in any industry right now, not least the Aviation sector, but to my own mind the process shown by TUI although there are people within the mix who have genuine reason not to be fully happy with all of it, then generally speaking, TUI has been adult it’s been reasonably well communicated, and the problem of how to go forward has shown a fair amount of “shared ownership”
On a personal level I am happy to have played a part in keeping everyone who wants to be in a job in one. At least for now. Plenty more water and plenty more bridges to flow under.
Many years ago a very fine mentor of mine taught me never judge a person or an organisation when everything is scooting along nicely. It’s dead easy to look good as a person as a dept, as a manager, as a management team, as a board of directors and as an organisation when everything’s going well.
Better to make an analysis when it’s backs to the wall time. That’s when the hidden character shows. Good, bad, indifferent or indeed downright evil.
My opinion, TUI though not perfect in many ways have, upto now given a fairly good account of themselves and I’m proud to be part of that. And on a financial front although, as expected watching the pennies due restricted money flowing into the business until, best guess until next summer seemingly have a reasonably sensible financial plan going forward.
I cannot speak for Ryanair or Jet2, although I have friends at both I’ve never worked for either.
TUI I know first hand, have worked with the trade union, held a ballot on taking a pay and work cut for a period of time. The deal was agreed by Management and by BALPA then put to the vote. The vote had a good turn out and a high vote to accept the deal that had been thrashed out.
Its not a perfect place to be in any industry right now, not least the Aviation sector, but to my own mind the process shown by TUI although there are people within the mix who have genuine reason not to be fully happy with all of it, then generally speaking, TUI has been adult it’s been reasonably well communicated, and the problem of how to go forward has shown a fair amount of “shared ownership”
On a personal level I am happy to have played a part in keeping everyone who wants to be in a job in one. At least for now. Plenty more water and plenty more bridges to flow under.
Many years ago a very fine mentor of mine taught me never judge a person or an organisation when everything is scooting along nicely. It’s dead easy to look good as a person as a dept, as a manager, as a management team, as a board of directors and as an organisation when everything’s going well.
Better to make an analysis when it’s backs to the wall time. That’s when the hidden character shows. Good, bad, indifferent or indeed downright evil.
My opinion, TUI though not perfect in many ways have, upto now given a fairly good account of themselves and I’m proud to be part of that. And on a financial front although, as expected watching the pennies due restricted money flowing into the business until, best guess until next summer seemingly have a reasonably sensible financial plan going forward.
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We can blow smoke up TUIs rear end all we like, the fact is 25% of their capacity is/was 3rd party which can be cut at a moments notice. If this wasn’t the case, don’t be fooled into thinking TUI would not have made redundancies.
I’m ex-TUI and look back fondly at my times there, but let’s not fool ourselves that they’ve avoided redundancies to be nice. Let’s not forget Project Transformation just a few years ago. It’s just happened to work out well there for both parties.
Airline management are the same everywhere, greedy and in it for themselves.
I’m ex-TUI and look back fondly at my times there, but let’s not fool ourselves that they’ve avoided redundancies to be nice. Let’s not forget Project Transformation just a few years ago. It’s just happened to work out well there for both parties.
Airline management are the same everywhere, greedy and in it for themselves.