Eurowings Europe to get a collective labour agreement
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It's not the industry standard flyac, it's the Eurowings Europe standard.
Compare the NET starting salary with the salaries being paid at other low-cost airlines like Ryan, Norwegian, Easy.
Also your 54-56k is based on 900h which I think/hope is not very realistic.
Another big minus is that SFO and CPT salaries are also way below industry standard.
Congrats EW-EU pilots with signing the first collective labour agreement, but hopefully the conditions can improve more when signing new agreements in the future.
Compare the NET starting salary with the salaries being paid at other low-cost airlines like Ryan, Norwegian, Easy.
Also your 54-56k is based on 900h which I think/hope is not very realistic.
Another big minus is that SFO and CPT salaries are also way below industry standard.
Congrats EW-EU pilots with signing the first collective labour agreement, but hopefully the conditions can improve more when signing new agreements in the future.
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Look, I don't defend these salaries, I just don't agree by seeing them as bad.
Furthermore, one has to include a few factors in the overall package. The 14 salaries for example, you won't get these at your mentioned Loco's. Once again, these additional two are taxed at a very low rate and bring up the net salary by a considerable amount. Then the two years bonding for a 320 rating, another perk.
And last but not least, quite many Airlines in the German region pay a very similar salary to those at EW-EU, Austrian being a good example. And if I look further, I frankly can't see many other Airlines to pay over 55k for starters or over 170k for experienced Pilots.
Furthermore, one has to include a few factors in the overall package. The 14 salaries for example, you won't get these at your mentioned Loco's. Once again, these additional two are taxed at a very low rate and bring up the net salary by a considerable amount. Then the two years bonding for a 320 rating, another perk.
And last but not least, quite many Airlines in the German region pay a very similar salary to those at EW-EU, Austrian being a good example. And if I look further, I frankly can't see many other Airlines to pay over 55k for starters or over 170k for experienced Pilots.
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The salary is bad and below industry standard, period!
It is aceptable if you are starting and it is your first job, but since the payscale is starting so low I doubt that 5 years later when you are an experienced FO your salary would increase 60-70% to put you on pair with the industry standard.
When you are just slighty higher paid than your cabin crew something is wrong!
It is aceptable if you are starting and it is your first job, but since the payscale is starting so low I doubt that 5 years later when you are an experienced FO your salary would increase 60-70% to put you on pair with the industry standard.
When you are just slighty higher paid than your cabin crew something is wrong!
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EZY senior CC Germany yearly net cash in the bank...........?
(assuming 22 yo and single, 800 block)
EW-EU F/O yearly net cash in the bank...............................?
(assuming 27 yo, married 1 kid, 750 block)
Ballpark figures, anyone? What is above is hard to read, whether or not net / gross / 14 salaries ...
(assuming 22 yo and single, 800 block)
EW-EU F/O yearly net cash in the bank...............................?
(assuming 27 yo, married 1 kid, 750 block)
Ballpark figures, anyone? What is above is hard to read, whether or not net / gross / 14 salaries ...
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The official numbers are already on Ppjn. It's roughly 60k for a new F/O, and 160k for a senior Cpt. To get the gross, divide it with 14. There are various Gross/net calculators to use to get your individual net (depends on various aspects). The salary is more or less the same salary as with Austrian and EW Germany, it's way higher than at Sunexpress and Germania. As many just deny the fact that the salary is indeed the German region industry standard, my advise is to check the numbers. Did I mention the fact that in Germany you only get 12 salaries at many Carriers? Point given, EW GMBH offers 13.
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The official numbers are already on Ppjn. It's roughly 60k for a new F/O, and 160k for a senior Cpt. To get the gross, divide it with 14. There are various Gross/net calculators to use to get your individual net (depends on various aspects). The salary is more or less the same salary as with Austrian and EW Germany, it's way higher than at Sunexpress and Germania. As many just deny the fact that the salary is indeed the German region industry standard, my advise is to check the numbers. Did I mention the fact that in Germany you only get 12 salaries at many Carriers? Point given, EW GMBH offers 13.
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Having looked at pretty much all german airlines that are hiring right now the aforementioned numbers are the industry standard. As low as they might are.
The most infuriating thing is that all the airlines hiring right now are, like everywhere in the world, in dire need of new pilots to minimise their AOG. Regardless of that though they continously offer less money while flying more hours than before.
I'd still pick the job over anything else on the ground but the mentality towards pilots and their pay is getting ridiculous.
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To get Austrian net rates, you can use the official calculator of the ministry of finance.
Basically 13th salary (usually paid end of June as a "vacation supplement" and 14th salary (paid end of November as a "Christmas supplement") are subject to full social security deductions but just 6% tax. (One could argue that pilot should be able to save for vacation and Christmas... This system is bound to stay as abolishing it would be viewed as a fiscal attack on the common man and therefore amount to political suicide. This is rather stupid as small incomes are not taxed that vigorously anyway, making the 6% tax rate most lucrative for earners of high salaries whose ordinary rate would be 50%.
Basically 13th salary (usually paid end of June as a "vacation supplement" and 14th salary (paid end of November as a "Christmas supplement") are subject to full social security deductions but just 6% tax. (One could argue that pilot should be able to save for vacation and Christmas... This system is bound to stay as abolishing it would be viewed as a fiscal attack on the common man and therefore amount to political suicide. This is rather stupid as small incomes are not taxed that vigorously anyway, making the 6% tax rate most lucrative for earners of high salaries whose ordinary rate would be 50%.
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Hi!
Does anyone know if this CLA applies to crews based in PMI as well? Also, is my understanding that now crews based in Palma have spanish contracts and pay taxes and social security in Spain, can someone confirm this?
Figures on PPJN look like a move in the right direction, but still short of other carriers.
If any EW EU pilot has figures for gross/net income for Captains in Palma feel free to PM me.
Happy flights!
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Does anyone know if this CLA applies to crews based in PMI as well? Also, is my understanding that now crews based in Palma have spanish contracts and pay taxes and social security in Spain, can someone confirm this?
Figures on PPJN look like a move in the right direction, but still short of other carriers.
If any EW EU pilot has figures for gross/net income for Captains in Palma feel free to PM me.
Happy flights!
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