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Eurowings Europe to get a collective labour agreement

Old 1st Oct 2018, 09:58
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Eurowings Europe to get a collective labour agreement

I've been prying this forum for about a year now and just saw that Eurowings Europe is finally getting a Collective Labour Agreement. I'd post a link to austrianaviation but apparently thats not possible in your first 10 posts so you gotta check it out yourselves - sorry!

Now - does anyone have any definite numbers on what's changing for new FOs?

Are they just raising the compensation to what Eurowings Germany is paying or even more?

Cheers!
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https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/l...an-union-vida/
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New basic pay for captains a whopping 78000€ Brutto....
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Originally Posted by stranotipo
New basic pay for captains a whopping 78000€ Brutto....
How much is the flight pay?
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How much is the flight pay?
Basic pay incl. 75hrs granted duty pay for a new captain without prev. PIC experience is now: 94.091EUR
130 duty hrs. assumed/month: 108.881EUR
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Originally Posted by MXer

Basic pay incl. 75hrs granted duty pay for a new captain without prev. PIC experience is now: 94.091EUR
130 duty hrs. assumed/month: 108.881EUR
Thanks! Much appreciated!

Any news on the revised FO Pay?
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Anybody heard the latest CBA details for both FO and CA?
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Originally Posted by CapitalB
Thanks! Much appreciated!

Any news on the revised FO Pay?
For a new FO without prev. experience starting pay (incl. 75hrs guranteed) is now
around 4000€.

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Originally Posted by MXer


For a new FO without prev. experience starting pay (incl. 75hrs guranteed) is now
around 4000€.

Greets
Hi,

Is that figure gross or net? Last I heard it was around €2,500 net for a FO

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FO Pay

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For a new FO without prev. experience starting pay (incl. 75hrs guranteed) is now
around 4000€.

Greets
Is that inclusive of per diems and Gross or net. If not what are per diems per month? Looking specifically for take home pay for CA and FO and per diems on the side.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by MXer


For a new FO without prev. experience starting pay (incl. 75hrs guranteed) is now
around 4000€.

Greets
Thanks!

Is that gross with the weird 14x salary rule in A?
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It is gross. If you fly above the limit, expect to increase your salary by a few hundreds.
Btw, I would not call the '14 salary rule' weird, as these are taxed at a very low rate. And yes, you get 14 salaries.
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Originally Posted by flyac
It is gross. If you fly above the limit, expect to increase your salary by a few hundreds.
Btw, I would not call the '14 salary rule' weird, as these are taxed at a very low rate. And yes, you get 14 salaries.
Hi, and what about salaries for FOs with some experience? Are there any steps? Thx!
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The exact figures are yet to be confirmed however previous experience will be credited for both F/O's and Cpt.
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Originally Posted by flyac
It is gross. If you fly above the limit, expect to increase your salary by a few hundreds.
Btw, I would not call the '14 salary rule' weird, as these are taxed at a very low rate. And yes, you get 14 salaries.

Gotcha! Thanks!

It's just weird in a sense that I've never really gotten around how it works until a few days ago. Surely no ones complaining about a 13th and 14th salary almost tax free!

Just for clarification - the 4.000€ include 75 duty hours and would be paid 14x a year which puts the starting salary somewhere in the 54-56k € range.

That'd now be even better than the 'new' german contracts that would include 130 duty hours a month and would average out around 52k€ pA.
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55k gross per year in Germany is less than 35000 net, if the tax calculator is right. Underwhelming to say the least, but still an improvement over the old contract, I guess.
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Originally Posted by dirk85
55k gross per year in Germany is less than 35000 net, if the tax calculator is right. Underwhelming to say the least, but still an improvement over the old contract, I guess.

Preaching to the choir here. 'Better' is just another variation of underpaid in this situation.
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The 75 hours are blockhours, not duty hours. However, the new EW-EU salary comes very close to the EW GmBH one at first look but keep in mind that the overall benefits (pension, LoL) are still better on the German contract.
I wouldn't call 55k plus additional allowances bad for a starter Dirk but it appears we both have a different sight on this matter.
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Less than 3000 net a month to fly 900 hours per year is bad from any angle I can think of, but that's probably just me. We have cabin crew here making more, and flying much less.
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Well, this is the industry standard now. Wages for 320 and 737 start for beginners at around 45-60k, ranging up to 170k for experienced Captains. If you managed to get to an employer which offers more than that, that's totally fine for me. Besides the big majors in Europe and maybe EZY at some bases there aren't many carriers left who offer more.
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