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FO‘s expectations of a new Captain

Old 2nd Aug 2018, 20:42
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FO‘s expectations of a new Captain

Would be interesting to see the other perspective as well.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 07:09
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The better trained and more competent the FO the easier is the captains job!
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 08:09
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I would want the captain to be capable of taking good photos of me at the controls so that I can keep my instagram followers up to date.

he should not get angry when I am texting my mates on the turnaround. It is not difficult to set up the FMC so he could be getting on with that rather than moaning at me.

The captain should also not complain when I twist and turn the buttons with vigour and looking cool. You can’t be a professional without being able to look the part.

oh and finally, while we are on the subject of moaning, why do they always moan about not having my uniform on properly? It is too warm to do up my jacket and I am definitely not taking my sunnies off, even inside.

if they want me to be professional, they should start being professional too. The number of captains I have seen plonk in the aeroplane at about 1000ft in with a heavy landing, when on a long runway you should be aiming to touch down a bit smoother but a lot further into the runway. For passenger comfort. That’s what being a good pilot is all about.

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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 08:34
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If they’re expecting encyclopaedic knowledge of the OMB, there’s no reason why a good Captain shouldn’t brush up on the latest Love Island gossip in return.

Oh, and stop asking for how much fuel the FO would like to take if you’re just going to use the one that’s in your head anyway...
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 08:44
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 09:14
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he should not get angry when I am texting my mates on the turnaround. It is not difficult to set up the FMC so he could be getting on with that rather than moaning at me.
I tend to this (most of the time though, I'm looking at the blank screen of a switched off phone whilst pretending to "text my mates") when I can no longer bear to listen to the mind numbingly boring chat about their latest car/super dupa TV/audio device/pension/mountain bike/woman/kids private school fees/eldests charge to be the best doctor on the planet/house extension/expanding property empire etc etc etc etc
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 10:37
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Originally Posted by richardthethird View Post
I would want the captain to be capable of taking good photos of me at the controls so that I can keep my instagram followers up to date.

he should not get angry when I am texting my mates on the turnaround. It is not difficult to set up the FMC so he could be getting on with that rather than moaning at me.

The captain should also not complain when I twist and turn the buttons with vigour and looking cool. You can’t be a professional without being able to look the part.

oh and finally, while we are on the subject of moaning, why do they always moan about not having my uniform on properly? It is too warm to do up my jacket and I am definitely not taking my sunnies off, even inside.

if they want me to be professional, they should start being professional too. The number of captains I have seen plonk in the aeroplane at about 1000ft in with a heavy landing, when on a long runway you should be aiming to touch down a bit smoother but a lot further into the runway. For passenger comfort. That’s what being a good pilot is all about.

kind regards,

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Hahahaha! Brilliant.

Originally Posted by Paddingtonbear View Post
I tend to this (most of the time though, I'm looking at the blank screen of a switched off phone whilst pretending to "text my mates") when I can no longer bear to listen to the mind numbingly boring chat about their latest car/super dupa TV/audio device/pension/mountain bike/woman/kids private school fees/eldests charge to be the best doctor on the planet/house extension/expanding property empire etc etc etc etc
Touche!
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 15:38
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I have always wondered how the term sexual adviser is shortened to FO?
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 16:14
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Originally Posted by zero/zero View Post
Oh, and stop asking for how much fuel the FO would like to take if you’re just going to use the one that’s in your head anyway...
How about:

Capt: "This is the MINIMUM amount of fuel I think we should take, do you think we should be taking any extra on top of that?"

At the end of the day, the captain isn't going to get airborne with less fuel than they want (quite right!) so how about giving the FO the lower limit and letting them work up if they want (And if you're willing)?

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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 16:32
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Oh, and stop asking for how much fuel the FO would like to take if you’re just going to use the one that’s in your head anyway...
Unless the FO can justify the amount he wants then I will take the one in my head...
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 19:33
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That also boils my pi$$. When it’s my sector and I want to take plog fuel (because that is most efficient, innit?) and the captain says he wants to take more! He had his turn at deciding the fuel load on the previous sector, this time it’s my aeroplane. I paid £129k to be sat here so I’m bloody well going to make some decisions. You don’t need anymore than plog because that has enough fuel to divert. Only a doddery old git would need to take extra fuel because he can’t make the right decision in an instant.

i just got my third stripe, so I have exactly the same qualifications that the captain has, therefore I’m just as good as he is. Probably better, to be honest. I went integrated.

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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 19:39
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Don't turn into the captains who respond in this post.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 20:29
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I’m close to upgrade so have not yet flown with another FO - but am I the only other FO surprised by the attitude of some of the replies here. It would be hugely disappointing to find this sort of attitude to be widespread.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 21:31
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It would be hugely disappointing if anyone took the thread seriously.

Old captains buy the first 2 rounds and flirt with the ugly one. New captains are a right troublesome bunch in this regard....
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 06:43
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Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder View Post
It would be hugely disappointing if anyone took the thread seriously.

Old captains buy the first 2 rounds and flirt with the ugly one. New captains are a right troublesome bunch in this regard....

Now we get to the real nitty gritty! Buying rounds... Definitely a treat to be relished, as if it happens, you can relax in the knowledge that your company is actually quite tolerable! If you don’t get bought a drink, you need to take a long, hard look at yourself (and ideally, the job adverts in the back of flight international)
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 07:38
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Some funny replies....
As a TC and former FO who flew with many a skipper in my 9 years as an FO in different airlines, it’s my view that FO’s should expect a new CP to be thorough, not flaunt the rules and be able to run the show as he or she has been trained with the understanding and support of the FO....it’s not a competition! I often sit and watch senior fo’s raising eyebrows and tutting whilst a new CP is getting to grips with their new role. All I can say is, “we’ll see how you find it when it’s your turn” because there’s slightly more to it than just moving three feet left, and believe me, some of the fo’s whom I thought would make it..... didn’t. Tread carefully, it’s not a rite of passage.

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Old 4th Aug 2018, 08:40
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A good Captain:

Will never think of taking my mobile phone from me and toss it out the window while taxiing out for take off!
( I was just checking some important stuff, you know.)
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 09:25
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The Captains I like flying with understand that a two day growth is part of my identity and not an attempt to become a Hipster. They don’t get all awkes when I apply lip balm while staring at them in cruise and they totally understand the benefits of sending acars messages to base while in busy terminal airspace. If we get vectors off track and VNAV is sucking they remind me which one of those stupid old modes will work until ATC stop mucking us up. Basically, I like flying with the smart ones.
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Old 4th Aug 2018, 10:13
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Advice for both seats. Do not be a smart ar$e. Do not pre empt. Do be on time. And shave or grow a beard (ladies exempt from both). Sloppy appearance equals sloppy pilot.

A good Captain will let the know-it-all in the RHS dig a big hole, then bail him/her out. Never say “ I told you so”.

Let F/Os play with the FMS - they are better at that than you, BUT if their hands hover over the gear or flap levers, smack them. Just because Mummy and Daddy never smacked them doesn’t mean you shouldn’t.
But when it is the F/O’s sector, unless they are about to kill you, leave them to it. Nothing is worse than a line captain who turns every trip into a check ride.










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Old 4th Aug 2018, 11:52
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When i was an FO i was staring at some of the guys in the left thinking i am never gonna be like them! Lately some of my guys/gals in the right makes me wonder if i ever was like them...
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