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How much do FR cadets pay to get the job?

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Old 26th Jul 2018, 17:39
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How much do FR cadets pay to get the job?

Guys, I´ve spent many years trying to find a job without paying a TR, however, as you know, it´s almost impossible. I think it´s time to give up and try to join FR. Can anyone tell me how much FR cadets pay to succeed?

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Old 26th Jul 2018, 17:40
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It's 5000 now. Plus 3000 more or less for other incurring costs such as accommodation during the TR course, transfer of licence, and other paperwork.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 18:15
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Media says there is a shortage of pilote. Would it be false??
Here is one part of the answer
https://www.aviationjobsearch.com/job/first-officer-b737-junior-fo-base-bts-ktw-waw-bud-prg-lpa-tfs-cdg/10183420

924 euros to live in Paris if you are not type rated.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 19:11
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He'd have to pay full-price for the type rating there.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 20:46
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Forgive me but the OP sounds like a tool- no one is ‘paying to succeed!’ Don’t be naive and think that just by accepting ‘you’ll have to pay’ will guarantee you getting the job. You need to prepare and pass the assessment like anywhere else and while Ryanair will always need pilots - plenty don’t pass and I’d bet the majority of those were the ones who went in thinking ‘this is a good backup plan!’

Lots of things aren’t good in Ryanair, but their training department isn’t one of them. Don’t be fooled by what you read, the contract they offer you will be crap- but they will be asking questions like... ‘having passed your training a few years ago and with no airline experience to your name still, why are you only applying to us now? I’d have a long hard think about how I might answer that if I were you.


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Old 26th Jul 2018, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Lolo75020 View Post
Media says there is a shortage of pilote. Would it be false??
Here is one part of the answer
https://www.aviationjobsearch.com/jo...s-cdg/10183420

924 euros to live in Paris if you are not type rated.
WOW.. I sincerely hope the guys that joins this outfit don't go mental like that Eurowings German lowcost airline F/O that flew the aircraft right into the mountain, killing everybody else along the way. Nasty conditions, and only desperate pilots would accept this kind of stuff.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 22:21
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Forgive me but the OP sounds like a tool- no one is ‘paying to succeed!’ Don’t be naive and think that just by accepting ‘you’ll have to pay’ will guarantee you getting the job. You need to prepare and pass the assessment like anywhere else and while Ryanair will always need pilots - plenty don’t pass and I’d bet the majority of those were the ones who went in thinking ‘this is a good backup plan!’

Lots of things aren’t good in Ryanair, but their training department isn’t one of them. Don’t be fooled by what you read, the contract they offer you will be crap- but they will be asking questions like... ‘having passed your training a few years ago and with no airline experience to your name still, why are you only applying to us now? I’d have a long hard think about how I might answer that if I were you.


...because I didn´t have enough money "to apply for a job"? Just in two seconds..
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 22:25
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I don't think that will pass muster. You've had money to go through the very expensive training, you've had the money to sustain yourself while you were doing this training, but then you don't have money to apply for a job?
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 22:26
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Here’s my follow up questions:

Are you aware you don’t need any money to apply for the job?

So you’ve spent these years saving for a rating and keeping current - you won’t need to borrow the money now?

Which airlines did you think were hiring when you started training that didn’t make you pay for a rating?

Personally I wouldn’t use your smart arse reply in the actual interview but each to their own.

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Old 26th Jul 2018, 22:40
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Originally Posted by VJW View Post
Here’s my follow up questions:

Are you aware you don’t need any money to apply for the job?

So you’ve spent these years saving for a rating and keeping current - you won’t need to borrow the money now?

Which airlines did you think were hiring when you started training that didn’t make you pay for a rating?

Personally I wouldn’t use your smart arse reply in the actual interview but each to their own.



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Old 26th Jul 2018, 22:43
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You should try editing to correct your spelling/grammar.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 22:48
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Are you aware you don’t need any money to apply for the job?
Oh.. Ryanair stopped charging for an interview? I know lots of people who never applied to Ryanair as they couldn't afford to join. Their new 'scheme'is better but still far from decent but at 200 hours it is one of the better options for people wanting to fast track to a jet.

Handbags down you two and behave.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 22:51
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Originally Posted by VJW View Post
You should try editing to correct your spelling/grammar.
Yeah, shit happens when you are able to speak more than 1 language.

By the way, how much did you pay to work? 40k after expenses? Just curious.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 23:08
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I was modular- from zero to RHS in Ryanair I spent about £65k (that included the Ryanair type rating).

Unless your parents are rich then I’d say the majority of people have to borrow the money for training. If before you start you don’t factor in the high probability that you may need to fund a type rating at the end of a CPL/IR course too, then that’s a little naive. Waiting a few years to save a type rating fee is noble but odd- especially when the pay between a Captain and FO varies by about £40k per year- all you’ve done is delay getting experience and gettting the more lucrative upgrade.

Again do what you want and take my advice or not.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 23:17
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I was modular- from zero to RHS in Ryanair I spent about £65k (that included the Ryanair type rating).

Unless your parents are rich then I’d say the majority of people have to borrow the money for training. If before you start you don’t factor in the high probability that you may need to fund a type rating at the end of a CPL/IR course too, then that’s a little naive. Waiting a few years to save a type rating fee is noble but odd- especially when the pay between a Captain and FO varies by about £40k per year- all you’ve done is delay getting experience and gettting the more lucrative upgrade.

Again do what you want and take my advice or not.
You talk about naivety; I´d talk about dignity -still something valuable for some people-.

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Old 27th Jul 2018, 07:12
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Originally Posted by smthngdffrnt View Post
You talk about naivety; I´d talk about dignity -still something valuable for some people-.

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Spot on !

A soon to be retired captain told me once, you're the "pay to fly" generation, believe it or not, but I'm still amaze to see how easy it is to find a RHS on a shiny jet when you have a nice check book.
Aviation is not a candy land but it is possible to get your way thru this industry, it is longer, harder, but pilot were able to do it before you, RYR is just an expensive bypass that's all.
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 07:22
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Spot on !

A soon to be retired captain told me once, you're the "pay to fly" generation, believe it or not, but I'm still amaze to see how easy it is to find a RHS on a shiny jet when you have a nice check book.
Aviation is not a candy land but it is possible to get your way thru this industry, it is longer, harder, but pilot were able to do it before you, RYR is just an expensive bypass that's all.
RYR is an expensive bypass? Can you please explain?
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 07:38
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Where did preserving your dignity get you? No where! You just ended up talking about Ryanair anyway just a few years later, when others who finished training when you did are years closer to their command in Ryanair than you are (presuming you pass their assessment). This my friend is the definition of naivety- whether you like it or not you’re still trying to bypass the hard work of not having to pay for a type rating. What other jobs have you applied for around the world in these few years?
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 08:09
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A soon to be retired captain told me once, you're the "pay to fly" generation,
Did he tell you also that we are is this situation because his generation sat fat and did nothing to stop that happening?
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 08:18
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Did he tell you also that we are is this situation because his generation sat fat and did nothing to stop that happening?
I agree with you 300%
This is typically the example of despicable ex French military, flying AF, who didn't pay a dime for training, expensive wages, you know the drill.
Do what I tell you and don't do what i'm doing kind of stuff ...
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