Eurowings (Germany)
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Eurowings Germany is indeed requiring FOs at the moment. The only caveat is the German language requirement...
in Eurowings Europe there is no such requirement so, as of today those who speak no German they will go to EW EU.
for those doubting the numbers, well try it out for yourself. They are almost done with negotiations for a new contract and it seems there is going to be a whopping 500€ Net increase in the numbers mentioned above.
enjoy
in Eurowings Europe there is no such requirement so, as of today those who speak no German they will go to EW EU.
for those doubting the numbers, well try it out for yourself. They are almost done with negotiations for a new contract and it seems there is going to be a whopping 500€ Net increase in the numbers mentioned above.
enjoy
AFAIK the requirement is lifted to speak fluently German with EWG.
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So,
i see some say that basic salary is 78000€ for a CPT: that is not true at the moment. It will be when a contract is signed. For the moment is less then that. That’s why the current numbers for net pay are so low(2500€ for FO 3200€ for Cpt)
German is not waived for German bases: it is still in the MTV of Eurowings Deutschland.
but, if you are so willing to join, apply and see for yourself.
please don’t complain once on the line, you have been informed
i see some say that basic salary is 78000€ for a CPT: that is not true at the moment. It will be when a contract is signed. For the moment is less then that. That’s why the current numbers for net pay are so low(2500€ for FO 3200€ for Cpt)
German is not waived for German bases: it is still in the MTV of Eurowings Deutschland.
but, if you are so willing to join, apply and see for yourself.
please don’t complain once on the line, you have been informed
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I've seen the salary posted for the EW europe group, it does indeed look on the low side, after 35percent austrian tax.
Does anyone know how many flight hours one could expect, and therefore an approximation of how much flight pay one could earn per year?
The euro wings germany bases are far more desirable for T and C's..
Does anyone know how many flight hours one could expect, and therefore an approximation of how much flight pay one could earn per year?
The euro wings germany bases are far more desirable for T and C's..
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I've seen the salary posted for the EW europe group, it does indeed look on the low side, after 35percent austrian tax.
Does anyone know how many flight hours one could expect, and therefore an approximation of how much flight pay one could earn per year?
The euro wings germany bases are far more desirable for T and C's..
Does anyone know how many flight hours one could expect, and therefore an approximation of how much flight pay one could earn per year?
The euro wings germany bases are far more desirable for T and C's..
TRI 900 hrs ca.
CPT 500 hrs ca.
FO 500 hrs ca.
there is no flight pay anymore, only duty pay
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Here are some facts:
Eurowings Group has several airlines which conduct flight under EW-flightnumber. The 3 most prominent ones (amongst other) are Eurowings Germany, Eurowings Europe and Germanwings.
All of these 3 have a huge demand for first officers because of the pilot contract relation towards Lufthansa mainline (explanation later)!
The German language requirement has been lifted, proper English is now enough. You also do not need to be type rated anymore, type rating is paid with subsequent bonding, no hours requirement as well. Just check on the Eurowings website.
Overall Eurowings Group is well placed in its homebases, having a very strong market share and slot domination, giving it a good long term outlook. Many homebases on offer now for new joiners. What is also good is the backing of Lufthansa, Eurowings is one of the long term strategic pillers of Lufthansa Group, which itself is very strong financially.
Eurowings Germany and Germanwings are unionized and have collective bargaining agreements in place. This means as an individual pilot you are well protected. Training seems to be good from what I hear, SOP and flight ops standards coming from Lufthansa mainline.
I would surely giving it a go if I was looking for a foot into the European market, especially Germany. Germany is nice, people are friendly.
Now which of the three companies to pick?
Eurowings Europe offers VIE or PMI as homebase, pay seems rather low, company is small and under pressure from several new competitors in VIE.
Eurowings Germany and Germanwings have same contract structure now, which is apparently better than Eurowings Europe. So personally I would avoid Eurowings Europe.
Germanwings has one big advantage over Eurowings Germany for prospective applicants: most current Germanwings captains will go back to Lufthansa within the next 4 years, creating a lot of upgrade opportunities within Germanwings, while Eurowings Germany has a rather "stable" pilot demografic and less upgrade opportunities for new joiners.
Since demand is high, probably you could play a bit of poker and insist on joining Germanwings to eventually profit from a fast upgrade.
Eurowings Group has several airlines which conduct flight under EW-flightnumber. The 3 most prominent ones (amongst other) are Eurowings Germany, Eurowings Europe and Germanwings.
All of these 3 have a huge demand for first officers because of the pilot contract relation towards Lufthansa mainline (explanation later)!
The German language requirement has been lifted, proper English is now enough. You also do not need to be type rated anymore, type rating is paid with subsequent bonding, no hours requirement as well. Just check on the Eurowings website.
Overall Eurowings Group is well placed in its homebases, having a very strong market share and slot domination, giving it a good long term outlook. Many homebases on offer now for new joiners. What is also good is the backing of Lufthansa, Eurowings is one of the long term strategic pillers of Lufthansa Group, which itself is very strong financially.
Eurowings Germany and Germanwings are unionized and have collective bargaining agreements in place. This means as an individual pilot you are well protected. Training seems to be good from what I hear, SOP and flight ops standards coming from Lufthansa mainline.
I would surely giving it a go if I was looking for a foot into the European market, especially Germany. Germany is nice, people are friendly.
Now which of the three companies to pick?
Eurowings Europe offers VIE or PMI as homebase, pay seems rather low, company is small and under pressure from several new competitors in VIE.
Eurowings Germany and Germanwings have same contract structure now, which is apparently better than Eurowings Europe. So personally I would avoid Eurowings Europe.
Germanwings has one big advantage over Eurowings Germany for prospective applicants: most current Germanwings captains will go back to Lufthansa within the next 4 years, creating a lot of upgrade opportunities within Germanwings, while Eurowings Germany has a rather "stable" pilot demografic and less upgrade opportunities for new joiners.
Since demand is high, probably you could play a bit of poker and insist on joining Germanwings to eventually profit from a fast upgrade.
1201alarm you don't seem to be to well informed.
Many of the aspects you mention are just incorrect.
To just take one as an example: yes many GWI pilots are LH-bound. But: GWI currently has 4 times as many captains as they do have FOs.
Upgrade perspective?!?
Many of the aspects you mention are just incorrect.
To just take one as an example: yes many GWI pilots are LH-bound. But: GWI currently has 4 times as many captains as they do have FOs.
Upgrade perspective?!?
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Anyone here that is actually working for EWG or GWI at the moment and cares to shed some light over there T&C’s? How many working days a month, take-home pay and years to command?
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Dear colleagues,
I wanna clear up with some myths regarding Eurowings Europe (EWE) here.
First the information i‘m providing here will be outdated soon as a collective agreement will be signed this month providing substantial improvements especially for FOs.
Pay:
CPT BASE pay is based on prev. experience as PIC and is between:
78k (0hrs) - 138k (8000hrs max.) gross/year
CPT sector pay: 100€/sector after 204 sectors flown/year. myths that you will never reach this threshold are BS (this was true only in the first year of ops starting with 3 a/c and when most of the legs were needed for crew training).
also vac-days count as ‚legs‘ (~2.5/day) for sure. Me personally as a trainer, i‘ve reached the threshold by May this year.
So making 3.5k net per month is only true for a new 0hrs cpt without doing ANY extra sectors the whole year which is impossible.
after clarifying all this, is it a superb job as cpt regarding pay? the answer is still NO.
For me the only reason working for a loco is being based where you (wanna) live (which for EWE is VIE, SZG, PMI, MUC, and 1more base to be determined 2019)
greets, MXer
I wanna clear up with some myths regarding Eurowings Europe (EWE) here.
First the information i‘m providing here will be outdated soon as a collective agreement will be signed this month providing substantial improvements especially for FOs.
Pay:
CPT BASE pay is based on prev. experience as PIC and is between:
78k (0hrs) - 138k (8000hrs max.) gross/year
CPT sector pay: 100€/sector after 204 sectors flown/year. myths that you will never reach this threshold are BS (this was true only in the first year of ops starting with 3 a/c and when most of the legs were needed for crew training).
also vac-days count as ‚legs‘ (~2.5/day) for sure. Me personally as a trainer, i‘ve reached the threshold by May this year.
So making 3.5k net per month is only true for a new 0hrs cpt without doing ANY extra sectors the whole year which is impossible.
after clarifying all this, is it a superb job as cpt regarding pay? the answer is still NO.
For me the only reason working for a loco is being based where you (wanna) live (which for EWE is VIE, SZG, PMI, MUC, and 1more base to be determined 2019)
greets, MXer
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Will they close down the AOC in Austria? I saw some news about that. Too much competition from other airlines and I guess they want to protect Austrian a bit...else they might be in deep .... if the war continues there...
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there seems to be continue missinformation on this topic even from people inside:
1-The new contract has not been finalised yet. Vida (pilot union) has informed that is very likely that they will reach an agreement by the end of September. That means as of now: new captains are still paid 60000 euros gross plus experience. If the deal finalize the basic pay will be 78000 euros, it seems there will not provision for previous experience anymore.
2- as stated by many before, new captains did not reached 204 sectors in the whole years, some exceptions are present in Wien. Different stories for trainers.
3-Munich base is available only to ex Air Berlin, nobody else. Even people already inside Eurowings Europe (the austrian company) cannot get it.
4-some changes are happening on the Eurowings Germany side for FO. Still no progression on the German Requirement though.
5- Munich base will be transfer to Eurowings Germany.
6- Any german base will be under the Aoc of Eurowings Germany (still german knowledge applies)
7- Eurowings Europe (extremely different company from Eurowings Germany) when it comes to respecting laws and contract is worst then ryanair: they did not pay for holidays and sickess as of today, they might start with september paychecks.
1-The new contract has not been finalised yet. Vida (pilot union) has informed that is very likely that they will reach an agreement by the end of September. That means as of now: new captains are still paid 60000 euros gross plus experience. If the deal finalize the basic pay will be 78000 euros, it seems there will not provision for previous experience anymore.
2- as stated by many before, new captains did not reached 204 sectors in the whole years, some exceptions are present in Wien. Different stories for trainers.
3-Munich base is available only to ex Air Berlin, nobody else. Even people already inside Eurowings Europe (the austrian company) cannot get it.
4-some changes are happening on the Eurowings Germany side for FO. Still no progression on the German Requirement though.
5- Munich base will be transfer to Eurowings Germany.
6- Any german base will be under the Aoc of Eurowings Germany (still german knowledge applies)
7- Eurowings Europe (extremely different company from Eurowings Germany) when it comes to respecting laws and contract is worst then ryanair: they did not pay for holidays and sickess as of today, they might start with september paychecks.
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there seems to be continue missinformation on this topic even from people inside:
1-The new contract has not been finalised yet. Vida (pilot union) has informed that is very likely that they will reach an agreement by the end of September. That means as of now: new captains are still paid 60000 euros gross plus experience. If the deal finalize the basic pay will be 78000 euros, it seems there will not provision for previous experience anymore.
2- as stated by many before, new captains did not reached 204 sectors in the whole years, some exceptions are present in Wien. Different stories for trainers.
3-Munich base is available only to ex Air Berlin, nobody else. Even people already inside Eurowings Europe (the austrian company) cannot get it.
4-some changes are happening on the Eurowings Germany side for FO. Still no progression on the German Requirement though.
5- Munich base will be transfer to Eurowings Germany.
6- Any german base will be under the Aoc of Eurowings Germany (still german knowledge applies)
7- Eurowings Europe (extremely different company from Eurowings Germany) when it comes to respecting laws and contract is worst then ryanair: they did not pay for holidays and sickess as of today, they might start with september paychecks.
1-The new contract has not been finalised yet. Vida (pilot union) has informed that is very likely that they will reach an agreement by the end of September. That means as of now: new captains are still paid 60000 euros gross plus experience. If the deal finalize the basic pay will be 78000 euros, it seems there will not provision for previous experience anymore.
2- as stated by many before, new captains did not reached 204 sectors in the whole years, some exceptions are present in Wien. Different stories for trainers.
3-Munich base is available only to ex Air Berlin, nobody else. Even people already inside Eurowings Europe (the austrian company) cannot get it.
4-some changes are happening on the Eurowings Germany side for FO. Still no progression on the German Requirement though.
5- Munich base will be transfer to Eurowings Germany.
6- Any german base will be under the Aoc of Eurowings Germany (still german knowledge applies)
7- Eurowings Europe (extremely different company from Eurowings Germany) when it comes to respecting laws and contract is worst then ryanair: they did not pay for holidays and sickess as of today, they might start with september paychecks.
ad 1.) where do you have this information from? my (and every cpt‘s) paycheck tells me base pay was 78k+prev. experience in the last two years. there NEVER was a 60k base pay for a cpt.
ad 2.) if anyone has done less then 204legs/year, then he/she did less than 17 sectors/month, which means LESS than 9 days of work/month. sounds at least like a good work-life balance:-)
ad 3.) there are at least a few people not ex-AB based in MUC. i know at least one FO transfering from VIE to MUC base.
ad 5.) that‘s an unverified story
ad 7.) from 1.1.2018 vacation and sick days were paid.
they are not gonna start from sept on but either pay the missing amount out of 2016+2017.
I guess this is one of the major issues of pprune. it is a ‚rumours‘ network. so my advice is to check the facts before applying to whatever company or get in touch with someone working there who you trust in.
anyway the only reason i‘m posting here is to share facts (i never said that i think they offer an appropriate pay for an airbus captain) for those interested.
I am not advocating that Eurowings Europe is a company to plan for a lifetime-career (are there any left btw?) but it‘s an option to get a quick-command and/or work in the city of your choice.
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MXer, d'you know what to expect from EWE PMI based for a FO 2500h A320, 5000 total (propeller less 19.5tn 1000h PIC)? May I expect an upgrade in a reasonable time? Any information about roster/nights out of base? Thanks in advance.
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Some reply to the following:
4-some changes are happening on the Eurowings Germany side for FO. Still no progression on the German Requirement though.
6- Any german base will be under the Aoc of Eurowings Germany (still german knowledge applies)
Im recently hired at EW for a german base, and Im not a native german speaker, far from actually! I have some basic german knowledge and that was enough for me to get in
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4-some changes are happening on the Eurowings Germany side for FO. Still no progression on the German Requirement though.
6- Any german base will be under the Aoc of Eurowings Germany (still german knowledge applies)
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Hello all, it has been asked a few times but no answers yet, any inside people to share what the schedule looks like for EW/EU? Any overnights? Can you bid your preferences , etc?
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it’s a common misconception but you can get a German base, I am a UK citizen and requested a German bass and got Cologne. The only catch is they require you to do a 2 month language course prior to type rating as part of the German Visa requirements, but that is something they pay for and arrange.
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Do not mix up
1. "Eurowings Europe" EWE (PMI, VIE, SZG bases)
2. Eurowings Germany EWG (bases in Germany)
3. Germanwings (Germany, was crewed by Lufthansa crew who now return to mainline with seniority, will fade out eventually)
-different contracts and terms
-different bases
-different requirements for hours, school and German language
For EWG you have to speak conversational German afaik. If you can learn that in 2 months? Maybe.
And why would you need a visa, coming from the EU being EU citizen.
1. "Eurowings Europe" EWE (PMI, VIE, SZG bases)
2. Eurowings Germany EWG (bases in Germany)
3. Germanwings (Germany, was crewed by Lufthansa crew who now return to mainline with seniority, will fade out eventually)
-different contracts and terms
-different bases
-different requirements for hours, school and German language
For EWG you have to speak conversational German afaik. If you can learn that in 2 months? Maybe.
And why would you need a visa, coming from the EU being EU citizen.